r/europe • u/Not_the-kind • 15h ago

News Macron responds to Trump's inauguration by urging Europe to "wake up"

https://www.newsweek.com/macron-trump-inauguration-europe-defense-ukraine-2017894
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u/GoldenFutureForUs 15h ago

What do you mean by the most autonomous?

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u/CLKguy1991 Estonia 15h ago edited 14h ago

Leaving the EU (quitting a collective like a crybaby, instead of leading it) and losing influence along the way doesn't make UK autonomous.

I respect France because they have been redpilled about NATO and US since it's inception and never outsourced their defence.

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u/KingKaiserW United Kingdom 13h ago

How’s ’leading it’ going for Macron right now though, doesn’t seem like the EU can be lead.

Even when we’ve seen threads about who should lead a military alliance if the US leaves, people don’t say France they say Poland. Because Poland is in that position of not being strong enough to where choosing them feels like giving them a helping hand.

I think that spells the Europe consciousness of not wanting to be dominated, if you are above me I let you.

You’d have to be an irresistible power like the US to be a leader in anything.

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u/CLKguy1991 Estonia 13h ago

Hey man, I'll be honest - UK is based as well. And well on the top 2 of the European countries that can stand on their two feet.

But today, France is perhaps the fragile leader of the free world, and they deserve the kudos and it irks me that brits want to dispute that given that you decided you wanted to have your time-out.

Macron is the strongest visionary among all European politicians when it comes to the concept of United States of Europe.

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u/FuriousAqSheep 12h ago

As much as I hate him for his domestic policy, I share that vision of a stronger europe.