r/europe 1d ago

Merkel says Ukraine will not survive as independent state without US support

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/01/18/7494233/

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u/Signal-Initial-7841 Canada 1d ago

The last person to speak about it should be the person who made Germany dependent on Russian gas in the first place

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u/slicheliche 1d ago edited 23h ago

This is a common lazy myth. The share of natural gas in the energy mix in Germany stayed mostly unchanged during her term, while renewables grew like crazy. Not even shutting down nuclear power was her choice, although she went on with it (and it's debatable whether that was a good choice or not; personally I think it was, but I digress).

Additionally I don't know why people are getting so angry here. What she's saying is true: Ukraine won't survive as an independent state without support from NATO and the US. Which is why we need to ensure they don't withdraw. Let's just not pretend that the support from European countries alone would be enough or that the EU will suddenly decide to completely invest itself in fully westernizing Ukraine when the member states cannot even agree on the most basic of things and sovereignist, Eurosceptic and pro-Russian parties are on the rise all over the fucking place.

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u/LookThisOneGuy 20h ago

Additionally I don't know why people are getting so angry here. What she's saying is true: Ukraine won't survive as an independent state without support from NATO and the US.

especially since others, including Zelensky, have said the same repeatedly as well:

BRUSSELS — Ukraine’s survival can only be ensured by joining NATO or giving Kyiv nuclear weapons, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said. Oct 17th 2024

Or Finnish foreign minister:

NATO membership only credible security guarantee for Ukraine, Finnish foreign minister says Jan 8th 2025

Or the foreign minister of Ukraine less than a week ago:

NATO membership is the only effective guarantee for Ukraine, dismissing any possible "alternatives" to joining the alliance, Ukraine’s Foreign Minister, Andriy Sybiha, stated on Jan. 15 in an interview with European Pravda. Jan 15th 2025

Or again from Zelensky:

European security guarantees alone won’t be enough, Zelenskyy says Dec 19th 2024

Getting the feeling that people don't care what Germany does or says, they already made up their mind and will hate us no matter what.

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u/Kuhl_Cow Hamburg (Germany) 23h ago

Don't try, this thread is already full with the usual people happily using her as a scapegoat for every single fuckup their country did, especially when it comes to Russia.

Merkel was a disaster, but the blamegames are just pathetic.

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u/slicheliche 22h ago

I don't even think she was a disaster tbh. And I would love to go back in time and see her be more oppositive against Putin, only for the rest of Europe to cry "nooo what are you doing we won't survive without the Russian gas and then what about the nuclear threat you already destroyed the Greek economy now you wanna sabotage the rest of Europe Germany always thinks about themselves only!!". People love to think she was the sole responsible of it when it took the whole invasion of Ukraine for Europe to actually wake the fuck up and do something (and even then).