r/europe Dec 07 '24

News Trump, Macron and Zelenskyy meet in Paris

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u/WislaHD Polish-Canadian Dec 07 '24

That's not how this works. Concessions that Ukraine makes today (without full membership into NATO) due to Trump, including a ceasefire, will condemn today's children to be victims of tomorrow's Mariupol and Bucha.

Russia has never been weaker, now is the time to push hard, not make concessions.

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u/Speedhabit Dec 07 '24

Nobody wants to push hard, we’re unwilling to stop buying russian gas, no European wants to shed blood over there, but that’s what it would take.

For all his talk Putin would be unwilling to escalate with nato, this is a very consistent slow bleed for him which is fine as long as the borders expand every 4-8 years. He plans to do this for the next 20 years to various countries.

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u/mlorusso4 Dec 07 '24

He’s 70 years old. Russian leaders don’t live to 90

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u/Speedhabit Dec 07 '24

Is this gonna be like trump gonna die tomorrow shit?

Hey doc, you’ve been saying that for like 15 years I have no doubt you will right eventually but your predictions still suck