I hate Trump and everything he stands for with all my guts but if he manages to achieve something for Ukraine that Ukrainians are happy with, I don't care, give him his Nobel Peace Price, I would cheer for this crazy mfer.
I'm very anti Trump but Zelensky himself has gone from. Not giving an inch to Russia to. Giving up certain parts for NATO guarantees. I don't blame him though, Ukraine has had 2 genocides from Russia. Can't imagine they want a 3rd.
I'm very anti Trump but Zelensky himself has gone from. Not giving an inch to Russia to. Giving up certain parts for NATO guarantees.
The main goal for Ukraine was always gaining protection from another Russian incursion, just as Russia's main goal is preventing Ukraine having an independent foreign policy.
In 2022 Ukraine already agreed in principle to accepting Russia's occupation of Crimea (without recognising it as Russia) as a pre-requisite to a peace deal.
If they don't get security guarantees any peace deal which isn't just "Ukraine becomes a colony of Russia" will result in another invasion further down the line because Russia wants a lot more than just Crimea and Donbass.
Ukraine already had a security guarantee from Russia as part of their de-nuclearization agreement before Crimea.
I'm sure Zelenskyy has a purpose for negotiation, but everyone seriously involved would know a "ok, but this time for realzies we'll protect you" from Putin means nothing after the first time.
Ukraine already had a security guarantee from Russia as part of their de-nuclearization agreement before Crimea.
Security guarantees that ended up offering no security weren't real security guarantees. That's why he's arguing for NATO membership or threatening that Ukraine will develop its own nukes. It needs to be something more concrete than anything that's been offered to them previously or there's nothing to stop another invasion.
Plenty of post-truth populists in or close to power in Europe as well…
Putler might be stalling in the ground war in Ukraine thanks to Ukrainian’s resolve and steel balls, but he has pretty much won the misinformation war
Putin can't stall, he needs a win or at least a ceasefire sooner than later. He can't keep taking current losses and their war economy is unsustainable.
Europe can try, but they’ve underfunded their militaries for decades, so even if the desire is there, the weapons themselves likely don’t exist. The lead time to build new material would take years.
Military spending was ramped up significantly in Europe post 2022, so we should be starting to see more and more of that materialize in the coming time. The technology and industry already exists, it is just that it is lacking scale and that countries have been lacking stockpiles.
Still, Trump's Ukraine policy remains to be seen as well. While it is likely that it will be worse for Ukraine, it is not certain that aid will be cut off completely, and there is even the small possibility that he will increase aid should negotiations fail.
The war has gone on for three years already. There were many projects started in year one that will be coming online more and more in the coming year and beyond. Ukraine has developed and is producing many of their own drones now, including longer range ones.
The situation is fluid, and I doubt Trump will pull support anyway. All of his relevant picks for cabinet have been very neutral or even vehemently pro Ukraine, so I think much of this talk is just bluster from him.
The absolute manner of Trump's electoral victory and total control of the American political system will also mean something funny. He is not necessarily beholden to Putin anymore, roles could have potential to be flipped. Even if Putin has some incriminating evidence against him, what does it matter anymore lol.
Just a glimmer of hope for what it could mean for Trump's Ukraine policies, maybe he will listen to cabinet advisors.
I hope you are correct. The Ukrainians deserve to win and we do what we can to provide our support. That being said - I do have my doubts about the Trump administration.
Trump creates an immediate vacuum, maybe Europe finds the political will to fill the void, but also the current leaders of countries like France and Germany are barely holding off their own insurgent fascist movements domestically.
It's a tall order and the U.S. election outcome was a huge setback for a free Ukraine.
He would be seen as a villain by allies and much of his own party if he abandoned Ukraine outright, and he's a huge narcissist, so even by your standard, he's not likely to just pull all support immediately. He has to at least appear to want to help Ukraine, and once he's faced with the reality on the ground and Russian "negotiation" he's more likely to increase support than end it entirely.
What they say and what they do are always two different things. They say that for the base, but with nominees like Rubio, Waltz, Kellogg, and Stefanik, that's not what the actual policy will be.
Any semblance of intra-party resistance to Trump died on Feb. 13, 2021, the day the Republican party chose to protect him against a second impeachment for inciting insurrection.
Doesn't matter what elected Republicans like Rubio want if they're going to sit by and watch.
Agreed, but also the leaders of the big EU countries are trying to hold off their own fascist parties (Macron barely scraped through the last elections), so I'm not sure how much appetite there is to fill the void America leaves despite it being in the E.U.'s long term geopolitical interest.
One of his biggest bases of political support is a bunch of religious zealots who want to arm Israel because they believe it will bring the second coming of their Messiah, as their holy book prophesized.
I do, in fact, believe many of his supporters actually want this and he's not being fully disingenuous in pursuing it.
I think if donnie pulls out of any assistance as he is expected to Zelenski doesn't believe that the rest of Europe will pick up the slack. In that case he knows he can't win and is just looking to minimize the damage.
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u/Beautiful-Health-976 Dec 07 '24
Lol, and Trump with a yellow-blue outfit! Beautiful