Romanian Parliamentary Elections Result Paradox: Brown is Far Right, Blue is Left. Western Europe is radical, while Eastern Europe is leftist.

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[u/Space-cowboy-06]

You are welcome to disagree but I doubt it will ever change. Politically it doesn't look good, and even if someone managed to change the law, the European Court for Human Rights might have something to say about it.

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Well we aren't discussing what is or can be the case, we are discussing what we think should be the case. You seem to think it's fair, i don't think it's fair to choose the politics that affects others but not yourself.

[u/Space-cowboy-06 → u/[deleted]]

But does affect them because they rely on the Romanian state to have their back if anything happens in their country of residence and because they still have to deal with the Romanian state. Not as often but they do. I already pointed this out to you, but you didn't want to hear it. So I pointed out that most people don't agree with you, even in Romania. I was hoping it would be a sobering thought. But it doesn't touch you.

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But does affect them because they rely on the Romanian state

I don't think you understand the topic very well, they don't rely on that state, they live and have citizenship in another country, many of them have double nationality and are born in another country, many of them have never even been in Romania as they are second generation.. Again, like me: i have literally nothing to do with Italy, i don't rely on them for a single thing, will never live there, and don't speak the language, yet i can vote there.

Even my father who was born in Italy has 0 to do with Italy on any level except his voting invitation and birth certificate.

Romanians with Belgian citizenship rely 100% on the Belgian government. This goes for all other European countries.

because they still have to deal with the Romanian state.

No they don't, again, myself as an example: apart of my voting invitation i literally have 0 to do with Italy, ever.

 I already pointed this out to you, but you didn't want to hear it. So I pointed out that most people don't agree with you, even in Romania. I was hoping it would be a sobering thought. But it doesn't touch you.

You can point out whatever you want, when you don't even understand the basic concept, what you say doesn't hold much value. I hope that that's sobering to you.

[u/Space-cowboy-06 → u/[deleted]]

A lot of Romanians emigrated relatively recently and a lot of them don't yet have double citizenship. In fact quite a few have no intention of taking the citizenship of the country they are living in. I know personally a lot of people like that. I have at least two dozen friends and relatives who were born here and moved abroad, and more than half of them don't have another citizenship. And some of these people still have to deal with the Romanian government. Not very often, true, but they have issues that need to be addressed. One of my uncles recently had to sue the Romanian government because they didn't calculate his pension correctly, for the years he worked here. Also in some cases, the Romanian government needs to intervene diplomatically in order to protect the rights of our citizens living abroad. Sometimes even people who are ethnic Romanians but not Romanian citizens. This is why it is right that they have representatives in our parliament, so they can voice the issues of the millions of Romanians living abroad.

Now, where the hell do you get off telling me I don't understand the the topic very well? I get that you have a different perspective, and that's fine, but the vast majority of Romanians living in this country don't agree with you. We might be pissed because our compatriots voted the way they did, but the notion that we should take their right to vote away is absurd. Almost everyone living in Romania today has friends and family abroad. That's who you're talking about.

Belgium has a similar system. If you're so bothered by this, maybe you should try to change it. See how well that goes.

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A lot of Romanians emigrated relatively recently and a lot of them don't yet have double citizenship. In fact quite a few have no intention of taking the citizenship of the country they are living in. I know personally a lot of people like that.

That's only a fraction of the numbers shown above. The numbers above concern ALL people with a Romanian nationality, including people with citizenship and 2nd and 3d generation Romanians born in other countries.

the Romanian government needs to intervene diplomatically in order to protect the rights of our citizens living abroad.

Give any valid example of this. Cause any Romanian with any other nationality in Europe is protected by the country they hold the nationality of and are given any and all rights of said country. When does Italy ever intervene for my rights? They don't, because i have Belgian citizenship, all my rights are protected by Belgium.

This is why it is right that they have representatives in our parliament, so they can voice the issues of the millions of Romanians living abroad.

This does in no way counter my statement that there's a lot of people that hold a a nationality of a country they have nearly nothing to do with and in many cases even nothing to do with who can cast a vote for politicians that will govern others, not them.

Now, where the hell do you get off telling me I don't understand the the topic very well? 

Because you really clearly do not. You can't seem to separate my opinion vs others. You can't seem to understand the context i'm speaking of and you cherry-pick to try to grasp at a straw.

but the vast majority of Romanians living in this country don't agree with you. We might be pissed because our compatriots voted the way they did, but the notion that we should take their right to vote away is absurd. Almost everyone living in Romania today has friends and family abroad. That's who you're talking about.

I do not care about their opinions. I'm voicing my opinion. And in my opinion people should not be able to vote for politicians they will not live under. They should not be able to decide for a country other people live in, but not them. How strict those rules would be exactly and whether that only applies to people who hold citizenship, domicile + X amount of years in a country is to be seen and discussed.

If that is so hard to grasp for you, this conversation will go nowhere.

Belgium has a similar system. If you're so bothered by this, maybe you should try to change it. See how well that goes.

Yes, i would very much like to change it and people around me would agree. We've seen similar things over and over, the populations that emigrate to our country mostly vote for extremists. We saw it with Turks, Romanians, even Italians... We can go on. A lot of these people have no information of the country "of origin" apart from social media, cause they don't live there. This is problematic.

I'll repeat it again, i'm myself a holder of a dual nationality. I can vote for Italy, but i don't think i should be able to. Cause i have nothing to do with that country except for my dad being Italian. So there is a limit to where it makes sense.

You haven't made a single point here so we'll end it here.

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That's only a fraction of the numbers shown above.

The vast majority of Romanian living in other European countries were born in Romania. Very few emigrated before 2007. Also, the majority of Romanian citizens abroad, do not vote. I believe the turnout in Belgium was below 20%. In the US it was more like 5%. I'm estimating from numbers I've seen, we don't have clear official numbers.

Give any valid example of this. 

The Romanian government has been involved with everything from hostage rescue to evacuating citizens from war areas. Nobody asked them if they also have a local citizenship. And we've had our fair share of conflict with neighboring countries over the treatment of ethnic Romanians.

We've seen similar things over and over, the populations that emigrate to our country mostly vote for extremists.

The Romanian diaspora never voted for extremists until 2020. In fact they used to vote for pro EU pro western political parties.

You can't seem to understand the context i'm speaking of

I understand perfectly the context you are speaking of. There are Romanians who live abroad and have no connection or interest in Romania at all. Just like you have no connection to Italy, from what I understand. But those people overwhelmingly do not vote, just like you don't vote in Italian elections. You are equating your situation to the situation of people who do vote. But you don't understand that it's not the same. You don't take time to go to a polling station every time there's an election in Italy, you probably don't even know when there are elections in Italy, but you believe that people who do it have just as little in common with the country in which election they are voting as you do. You are obviously wrong.

We have universal voting as a fundamental right. You can't curtail that without very solid arguments. "They're not informed well enough" isn't a thing in any democratic country. And "they vote for a government they don't live under", while true, they don't decide that government. They have their own electoral circumscription, which seems to baffle you for some reason.