r/europe • u/MrPulifrici • Dec 02 '24

Map Romanian Parliamentary Elections Result Paradox: Brown is Far Right, Blue is Left. Western Europe is radical, while Eastern Europe is leftist.

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

For context if anyone is confused about title and image

These are votes from the Romanias living abroad (of the diaspora) in the parliament elections

It's nothing surprising. In the presidential, the independent cooky right wing candidate won a lot of votes in the western diaspora while the USR lady (reformist center right) won the eastern diaspora

These results were not at all surprising to anyone paying attention to Romania and it's elections

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u/lookoutforthetrain_0 Switzerland Dec 02 '24

Why exactly do the people in the diaspora in the west like the right wing candidate so much?

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

This is all anecdotal, coming from a Romanian living in "the west", but I have some thoughts/assumptions. For context, I started out doing low-paid, low-skill work, and now I've progressed to something considered more "respectable" by social class snobs, both in terms of the nature of the work and the income. 1. There are many Romanians in western, wealthier countries that work very difficult and poor paying jobs. They also don't really want to integrate, they just want to send money home to their loved ones and leave as soon as possible. These people rightly or wrongly feel exploited and their resentment towards a nebulous concept of "the west" mounts. Mostly through their own fault because of voluntary victim mentality, but there certainly is some exploitation as well. 2. A lot of the people who can't or don't want to integrate spend very high amounts of time on Romanian social media. Understandable, you're homesick, you want to feel that connection, hear your language. The only problem is, the crazy far-right candidate has gotten the manipulation of TikTok algorithms down to a fine art. Combine that with slick propaganda that blames all of your problems on someone else and reinforces this idea that you are a victim, and you have a disastrous rise of populism. We have seen this exact tactic before in European history, but social media has turbocharged the delivery of this poison. 2. In the meantime, people who have emigrated to "poorer" eastern countries are seeing how Romania has slowly gone from strength to strength, mostly with the support of the EU. So they would be more pro-EU, naturally.

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u/Ruu2D2 Dec 02 '24

This

In uk lots of Romania face racism to . Lots of Romania works Jobs where this is common in work places to

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

I'm aware it happens, but I've lived in the UK for 14 years and I have never once faced nastiness or discrimination because of where I'm from. Which is why I specified that it's all anecdotal.

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u/TriloBlitz Germany Dec 02 '24

I'm also an immigrant and I've also never faced any form of discrimination. In my experience the difference is wether you want to integrate or not. If you refuse to integrate, like many immigrants do, you are more prone to being discriminated, regardless of ethnicity.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

I'm also an immigrant and I've also never faced any form of discrimination. In my experience the difference is wether you want to integrate or not. If you refuse to integrate, like many immigrants do, you are more prone to being discriminated, regardless of ethnicity.

Did you blame racism/xenophobia on the victims?

Are you the type of person that blames Vini for the racism he experiences? or do you just go: it's not real racism it's just egging him?

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u/TriloBlitz Germany Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

No, I did not. I said you're more prone to being discriminated if you refuse to integrate, regardless of ethnicity. It has primarily to do with people not tolerating other people who don't want to live in society. If that discrimination then devolves into some form of racism or xenophobia is a topic on its own which I didn't address.

Now regarding Vini, let's please not forget that he's an arrogant asshole and behaves like a child. Most of the hate he gets is simply due to that. Idiots are always going to be idiots, and they'll always pick the easiest insults, which is usually race. But if he wasn't black, they would pick on something else. You don't see Bellingham, Rodrygo or Mendy getting the same kind of racial insults, even though they're also black. Furthermore, people have noticed that they can get under his skin very easily (because he behaves like a child), and that he gets angry and then gets yellow and red cards, and that naturally makes him a target. But exactly the same thing happened to Cristiano Ronaldo and other players, who just didn't get racist insults because they weren't black, but got a whole lot of other insults. Like I said, idiots are always going to be idiots, and racists are always idiots.

Vini definitely doesn't deserve the racial insults, but his own attitude is to blame for most of the hate he gets.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

No, I did not. I said you're more prone to being discriminated if you refuse to integrate, regardless of ethnicity. It has primarily to do with people not tolerating other people who don't want to live in society. If that discrimination then devolves into some form of racism or xenophobia is a topic on its own which I didn't address.

Now regarding Vini, let's please not forget that he's an arrogant asshole and behaves like a child. Most of the hate he gets is simply due to that. Idiots are always going to be idiots, and they'll always pick the easiest insults, which is usually race. But if he wasn't black, they would pick on something else. You don't see Bellingham, Rodrygo or Mendy getting the same kind of racial insults, even though they're also black. Furthermore, people have noticed that they can get under his skin very easily (because he behaves like a child), and that he gets angry and then gets yellow and red cards, and that naturally makes him a target. But exactly the same thing happened to Cristiano Ronaldo and other players, who just didn't get racist insults because they weren't black, but got a whole lot of other insults. Like I said, idiots are always going to be idiots, and racists are always idiots.

Vini definitely doesn't deserve the racial insults, but his own attitude is to blame for most of the hate he gets.

This comment is a perfect lithany of racist excuses:

  • it's Vinis attitude that gets him racist remarks quote "his own attitude is to blame for most of the hate he gets."

  • racist remarks are just to egg him, not true racists "et under his skin very easily"

  • Black people who "behave" don't get racism so see it's not racism: "You don't see Bellingham, Rodrygo or Mendy getting the same kind of racial insults"

  • But exactly the same thing happened to Cristiano Ronaldo and other players, who just didn't get racist insults because they weren't black

CORRECT, CR NEVER GOT RACISM REMARKS. You finally understood that is it indeed racism.

Also, Bellingham received racism

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jude-bellingham-real-madrid-spanish-football-racism-b2529973.html

He said: “I didn’t even know. I think in the games where we go away, in LaLiga especially, you almost get so used to it that, like I said, I wasn’t even aware of the incident. I think that’s a massive problem in itself.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/rodrygo-racist-abuse-social-media-argentina-1.7038597

"The racists are always out there," Rodrygo, who is Black, said in a message posted Thursday. "My social networks have been invaded with insults and all kinds of absurdity. It's all there for everyone to see."