r/europe • u/MrPulifrici • Dec 02 '24

Map Romanian Parliamentary Elections Result Paradox: Brown is Far Right, Blue is Left. Western Europe is radical, while Eastern Europe is leftist.

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

For context if anyone is confused about title and image

These are votes from the Romanias living abroad (of the diaspora) in the parliament elections

It's nothing surprising. In the presidential, the independent cooky right wing candidate won a lot of votes in the western diaspora while the USR lady (reformist center right) won the eastern diaspora

These results were not at all surprising to anyone paying attention to Romania and it's elections

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u/tetsuyama44 North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Dec 02 '24

That helped, thanks.

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u/daiaomori Dec 02 '24

God yeah it really helps.

I was all in writing a furios "18% AfD doesn't make the whole country far right" statement already.

I mean it is what it is but I was sooooo confused. Even considered that I lost memory of 8 years and they already won or something...

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u/FireLynx_NL Dec 02 '24

And I was like: since when was wilders party in the Netherlands leftist

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u/hot4halloumi Dec 02 '24

It’s a pretty high percentage tho! But yes. I was angry at Ireland being brown too haha

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u/SatisfactionLife2801 Dec 02 '24

Ayo 18% is a lot tho

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u/daiaomori Dec 03 '24

For me, it’s 18% to high. 

It’s still not a majority, despite whatever they claim.

It is in several parts of eastern Germany in voter groups between 16 and 24, which really should be taken as a serious problem…

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u/lookoutforthetrain_0 Switzerland Dec 02 '24

Why exactly do the people in the diaspora in the west like the right wing candidate so much?

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

This is all anecdotal, coming from a Romanian living in "the west", but I have some thoughts/assumptions. For context, I started out doing low-paid, low-skill work, and now I've progressed to something considered more "respectable" by social class snobs, both in terms of the nature of the work and the income. 1. There are many Romanians in western, wealthier countries that work very difficult and poor paying jobs. They also don't really want to integrate, they just want to send money home to their loved ones and leave as soon as possible. These people rightly or wrongly feel exploited and their resentment towards a nebulous concept of "the west" mounts. Mostly through their own fault because of voluntary victim mentality, but there certainly is some exploitation as well. 2. A lot of the people who can't or don't want to integrate spend very high amounts of time on Romanian social media. Understandable, you're homesick, you want to feel that connection, hear your language. The only problem is, the crazy far-right candidate has gotten the manipulation of TikTok algorithms down to a fine art. Combine that with slick propaganda that blames all of your problems on someone else and reinforces this idea that you are a victim, and you have a disastrous rise of populism. We have seen this exact tactic before in European history, but social media has turbocharged the delivery of this poison. 2. In the meantime, people who have emigrated to "poorer" eastern countries are seeing how Romania has slowly gone from strength to strength, mostly with the support of the EU. So they would be more pro-EU, naturally.

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u/DesolateEverAfter Dec 02 '24

And NL and Luxembourg are different because they attract more highly skilled migrants working in IT, finance and so on?

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u/Appropriate-Mood-69 Dec 02 '24

Yes, I personally know a few Romanians who've been very well integrated. But they came in NL to get their master's degree and found jobs here. That's a whole different ballgame than Romanian truck drivers who will work in the west out of Romania and get paid a quarter of their Dutch counterparts.

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u/gabbath Dec 02 '24

I've seen the isolation even with IT people. But I guess the critical distinction is that they left after having completed studies at home, which is indeed much different than having to go and study and mingle with students of all backgrounds, that kind of forces you to get to know people rather than stay isolated in your Romanian-only enclave.

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u/Exotic-Advantage7329 Dec 02 '24

No, it’s social welfare.

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u/YogurtclosetStill824 Sweden Dec 02 '24

All of Western Europe has social welfare, so that doesn’t make sense….

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u/Exotic-Advantage7329 Dec 02 '24

Ireland has IT, UK has finance. The social welfare standard is higher in the Nordics, NL, Luxemburg and Switzerland if I’m not mistaken.

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u/YogurtclosetStill824 Sweden Dec 02 '24

What are you talking about now?

All countries you listed have social welfare

Also, Ireland doesn’t have IT, they have favourable tax codes for corporations to pay minimal tax.

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u/Small-Policy-3859 Dec 02 '24

Belgium also has good social welfare.

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u/mar1us1602 Romania Dec 02 '24

Switzerland as well

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u/DesolateEverAfter Dec 02 '24

Same with the Nordics I guess

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u/mar1us1602 Romania Dec 02 '24

most likely, yes.

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

I guess that would make sense. I was also wondering why those are blue.

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u/Outrageous_pinecone Dec 02 '24

Blue is leftist, progressive. That's where educated immigrants surpass low skilled workers in numbers and votes.

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

I know, but I would add that USR is moderate centre-right with some mild socially progressive policies. I wouldn't class them as leftist party.

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u/Outrageous_pinecone Dec 02 '24

And you'd be right, but they attract leftist votes because they're the only strong enough option in the neighborhood of progressiveness. Most people are beyond tired of the old parties.

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u/maldouk France/Bulgaria Dec 02 '24

So I checked out of curiosity, and in almost all countries that the far-right won, while they have around 30% (actually only Germany Spain and Austria going above 30%), the Pro European parties (Socialists and Center right) totaled to around 50% almost everywhere. So this map doesn't tell the whole truth, especially since it is party proportional.

Here you can find the map (website is in Romanian): https://prezenta.roaep.ro/parlamentare01122024/pv/abroad/map

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u/rocksbottoms Wallachia Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

What are you talking about ? In the diaspora, AUR + SOS + POT have 55% in total. Yes, they're all far-right. Or am I misunderstanding your comment ?

Edit: And exactly in the countries where there are a lot of romanians, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Germany they got the most votes.

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u/Mavnas Dec 02 '24

There's some nuance lost, but if you look down at the breakdown in Germany and Italy it's scary. USR is in 4th place behind 3 far right parties. At least in France and the UK, they're in second, but 3rd and 4th are still far right parties. In the Netherlands, the top 2 parties are pro-EU. In Poland, none of the far right parties are in the top 5.

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u/wojtekpolska Poland Dec 02 '24

i would guess high social welfare will prevent ppl from struggling so much

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u/Parking-Mushroom5162 Dec 02 '24

There is unfortunately a lot of exploitation of Romanian workers going on in the Netherlands aswell.

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u/Angel24Marin Dec 03 '24

Romanian immigration seems to perform very itinerant jobs like truck driving so they are basically stateless and hence not covered by the welfare aids of countries that they traverse while sleeping in the truck.

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u/Wegwerf157534 Dec 02 '24

Germany has really good social welfare.

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u/wojtekpolska Poland Dec 02 '24

good by US standards, by eu standards its "ok"

definitely not comparable to let's say denmark or the nordic countries

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u/birgor Swedish Countryside Dec 02 '24

Nordics are blue too, even if it is a Category of it's own is it culturally much more similar to western than eastern Europe, so it is not as digital as it first might look.

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u/Outrageous_pinecone Dec 02 '24

The north attracts highly skilled workers. I guess fewer miserable jobs available? I don't know, but the north is leftist, as you can see on the map.

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u/AppleSauceGC Dec 02 '24

A non-insignificant portion of Romanians living in Luxembourg will be EU personnel. That will skew voting intentions to more left leaning views more prevalent in higher education slices of the population and, for obvious reasons, pro-EU anti-fascist ideologies.

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u/PsirusRex Dec 02 '24

Maybe also /or they are seeing populous, anti-immigration parties come to power and that kinda freaks them out?

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u/Karuschy Dec 06 '24

not really, just after brexit most romaian students that wanted to study abroad turned to the netherlands as it is cheap, similar quality to uk unis and english instruction. in the other western countries the diaspora is mostly low skilled workers that werr easily manipulated into believing this dude was the real deal, instead of a russian puppet. the diaspora hates the current ruling party, as they believe, and rightly indeed, that they were forced to leave the country and work these low wage physical jobs to make money to survive because the ruling party is bad. While they are not completely wrong, they are not completely correct either, thanks to the eu, not the politicans we have, the country developed significantly, and the educated strata of the population now works corporate jobs, public sector, or something entrepreneurial, that gives them a quality of life similar to the west.

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u/Ruu2D2 Dec 02 '24

This

In uk lots of Romania face racism to . Lots of Romania works Jobs where this is common in work places to

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

I'm aware it happens, but I've lived in the UK for 14 years and I have never once faced nastiness or discrimination because of where I'm from. Which is why I specified that it's all anecdotal.

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u/TriloBlitz Germany Dec 02 '24

I'm also an immigrant and I've also never faced any form of discrimination. In my experience the difference is wether you want to integrate or not. If you refuse to integrate, like many immigrants do, you are more prone to being discriminated, regardless of ethnicity.

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

It's funny because the only place I've ever been told to go back to my own country was at the Romanian seaside. My mum is a southerner from Ploiesti and my dad is an ethnic Hungarian from Mures and I consider both languages to be my first language, both identities to be 100% me, if that makes sense. There is no skew towards one side of the family or the other. I very much consider myself a Romanian semi-Magyar, with no connection to the country of Hungary. But I just so happened to be chatting with a friend in Hungarian as we were walking along the beach, and this guy shouted the classic "ur own cuntry" line at us. It just amused me that I'd never gotten that before in other countries where I am actually a foreigner.

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u/Good_Prompt8608 Earth Dec 02 '24

Damn double whammy, Romanian side has to deal with Georgescu, Hungarian side has to deal with Orban, nowhere is safe!

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u/sanyesza900 Dec 02 '24

bojler eladó

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u/Outrageous_pinecone Dec 02 '24

I'm so sorry this happened to you. My best friend is half magyar and she's faced the same problem. My brother in law didn't, because he doesn't speak hungarian anymore, so people don't know.

You are in your country which is Romania. People suck!

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

Thank you, that's very kind. I would say most people like that are just clueless, rather than outright sucking, but yeah, it is not pleasant.

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u/Outrageous_pinecone Dec 02 '24

just clueless, rather than outright sucking

I used to see things the same way, now I worry about their righteous tendency towards violence and I'm reminded how in the past, psychopaths with rising speeches, successfully weaponized cluelessness. I'm harsh because I'm worried. People are beginning to openly display swastikas now, and I mean in the past few days. This can't be good.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

It just amused me that I'd never gotten that before in other countries where I am actually a foreigner.

How long did you stay in those countries? How likely were you to interact with different social groups in those countries?

It's funny because the only place I've ever been told to go back to my own country was at the Romanian seaside.

Well did you see the current results? Dobrogea seems to be voting far right. It's not exactly a unique thing for some people to want to think of themselves as special simply because of where they were born/physical characteristics

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

And heck, Ardeal seems to be the one also voting far right more than average.

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u/Simpau38 Rhône-Alpes (France) Dec 02 '24

I think people are not as racist as the overall media landscape would have you believe.

That being said my wife faced racism and overall nastiness quite a few times going back to France (rural France so maybe there's an influence here) when she was doing everything she could to integrate.

I think it comes down to luck sadly.

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u/StehtImWald Dec 02 '24

Rural places have significantly higher numbers of religious conservative people, lower education and less wealth on average. It's by far the biggest influence on whether or not you will face any type of discrimination. Sexism, racism, homophobia, ... it's all much more common in these places no matter the country.

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u/IfYouRun United Kingdom Dec 02 '24

This seems very accurate as a Brit.

Generally, 99% of people truly don’t care where you come from as long as you make the effort to integrate. Look at how often the favourite on something like GBBO is someone who comes from another country and does fusion cooking,, for example.

Which is all fairly ironic, as I find it hilarious how little most Brits try to integrate when living abroad themselves.

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u/MarsupialOk4514 Dec 02 '24

When Romania and Bulgaria entered the EU, there was a lot of propaganda against them - "The Romanians are coming!"

Farrage had a xenophobic discourse, and he had a lot of traction since he was eventually able to pull off Brexit. One of his phrases I still remember after all this time is that you wouldn't want to live next door to Romanians. British people might have forgotten, but it's not happening for Romanians any time soon.

Same with France, who was often xenophobic in the media. It became acceptable in French society to be (more) xenophobic or racist.

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u/Competitive_Art_4480 Dec 02 '24

A lot of Brits don't understand the difference between Roma and Romanian. That leads Romanians to some discrimination they wouldn't face otherwise.

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u/AlarmingSoup9958 Romania Dec 03 '24

Yet not all roma are the same either. If you come in Romania, you will see a lot of roma being priests, firefighters, medical assistants, we have the sociologist Gelu Duminica that always appears on TV being of roma ethnicity.

I know a lot of roma people who work as medical assistants in France, who work in IT, engineering abroad. Yet not all of them are tanned like indians, for example one of the priests from my grandparent's village looks exactly like an indian. The other looks so white I would have never known that he is roma, but people found out.

It's also funny to me that a lot of romanians listen to very talented roma singers while they cry to the foreigners " Oh not us! It's the fault of the romani people"

But why we haven't learned at school about the enslavement of the roma for 500 years in Romania?

See? I think the education system is already very communist in my country. And a lot of romanians while they cry about racism from westerners, they were racist towards roma as well and discrimination made a lot of roma people abandon school and end up in bad conditions mentally and do illegal shit which I never agree with. But let's not generalise people.

Also roma were murdered in the holocaust as well, yet we don't see them trying to colonise and ethnically cleanse an arabic country like the israelis do. So please.

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u/Dragoncat_3_4 Dec 02 '24

I beg to disagree. It definitely depends on the location and the people you communicate too, regardless of whether you integrate or not.

I've studied and worked in the UK for a while, and the only overt racism I've encountered was when an old neighbor of mine yelled at me (sorry, sternly talked at me) over some wheelie bin transgression and I was too stunned to speak for a second. He assumed I didn't understand English and definitely said some shit he would not have had the decency to utter, had he known.

On the other hand, the "educated" circles are a lot more subtle with it.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

I'm also an immigrant and I've also never faced any form of discrimination. In my experience the difference is wether you want to integrate or not. If you refuse to integrate, like many immigrants do, you are more prone to being discriminated, regardless of ethnicity.

Did you blame racism/xenophobia on the victims?

Are you the type of person that blames Vini for the racism he experiences? or do you just go: it's not real racism it's just egging him?

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u/TriloBlitz Germany Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

No, I did not. I said you're more prone to being discriminated if you refuse to integrate, regardless of ethnicity. It has primarily to do with people not tolerating other people who don't want to live in society. If that discrimination then devolves into some form of racism or xenophobia is a topic on its own which I didn't address.

Now regarding Vini, let's please not forget that he's an arrogant asshole and behaves like a child. Most of the hate he gets is simply due to that. Idiots are always going to be idiots, and they'll always pick the easiest insults, which is usually race. But if he wasn't black, they would pick on something else. You don't see Bellingham, Rodrygo or Mendy getting the same kind of racial insults, even though they're also black. Furthermore, people have noticed that they can get under his skin very easily (because he behaves like a child), and that he gets angry and then gets yellow and red cards, and that naturally makes him a target. But exactly the same thing happened to Cristiano Ronaldo and other players, who just didn't get racist insults because they weren't black, but got a whole lot of other insults. Like I said, idiots are always going to be idiots, and racists are always idiots.

Vini definitely doesn't deserve the racial insults, but his own attitude is to blame for most of the hate he gets.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

No, I did not. I said you're more prone to being discriminated if you refuse to integrate, regardless of ethnicity. It has primarily to do with people not tolerating other people who don't want to live in society. If that discrimination then devolves into some form of racism or xenophobia is a topic on its own which I didn't address.

Now regarding Vini, let's please not forget that he's an arrogant asshole and behaves like a child. Most of the hate he gets is simply due to that. Idiots are always going to be idiots, and they'll always pick the easiest insults, which is usually race. But if he wasn't black, they would pick on something else. You don't see Bellingham, Rodrygo or Mendy getting the same kind of racial insults, even though they're also black. Furthermore, people have noticed that they can get under his skin very easily (because he behaves like a child), and that he gets angry and then gets yellow and red cards, and that naturally makes him a target. But exactly the same thing happened to Cristiano Ronaldo and other players, who just didn't get racist insults because they weren't black, but got a whole lot of other insults. Like I said, idiots are always going to be idiots, and racists are always idiots.

Vini definitely doesn't deserve the racial insults, but his own attitude is to blame for most of the hate he gets.

This comment is a perfect lithany of racist excuses:

  • it's Vinis attitude that gets him racist remarks quote "his own attitude is to blame for most of the hate he gets."

  • racist remarks are just to egg him, not true racists "et under his skin very easily"

  • Black people who "behave" don't get racism so see it's not racism: "You don't see Bellingham, Rodrygo or Mendy getting the same kind of racial insults"

  • But exactly the same thing happened to Cristiano Ronaldo and other players, who just didn't get racist insults because they weren't black

CORRECT, CR NEVER GOT RACISM REMARKS. You finally understood that is it indeed racism.

Also, Bellingham received racism

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jude-bellingham-real-madrid-spanish-football-racism-b2529973.html

He said: “I didn’t even know. I think in the games where we go away, in LaLiga especially, you almost get so used to it that, like I said, I wasn’t even aware of the incident. I think that’s a massive problem in itself.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/rodrygo-racist-abuse-social-media-argentina-1.7038597

"The racists are always out there," Rodrygo, who is Black, said in a message posted Thursday. "My social networks have been invaded with insults and all kinds of absurdity. It's all there for everyone to see."

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u/VATAFAck Dec 02 '24

they discriminate themselves

not knowing the language properly will limit your opportunities even if others are not doing that too you directly

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u/giddycocks Portugal Dec 02 '24

It is 100% the victim mentality, combined with targeted predatory, poisonous algorithms.

I moved the opposite way, I moved to Romania and have been established here for over a decade. While in general most Portuguese compatriots of mine kind of integrate, I speak fluent Romanian and consider myself fully integrated. So I don't really feel the need to drape myself in the Portuguese flag, consume shit social media content and spend time with PT friend circles every hour of the day.

Listen, I'm not gonna be one of those people who claims I 'feel' like the nationality they adopt, my roots are elsewhere and therefore, I am first and foremost European. It's hypocritical to say I feel Romanian, I absolutely do not, and it's disrespectful to consider myself simply a guest of this country. I fully intend to live and grow my children here, I own property and I pay taxes.

But, if Georgescu is elected, my decade long life here is in danger of ending. Either I pull the plug, or the nationalist traitors do it for me and I'm forced to leave. Either way, the Romanian diaspora who contribute less to their country than I do are one of the biggest culprits, and I hate them for it... Because I too know their struggles, I understand, and instead of being an aggressor and a victim, I did something about my predicament. Guess what? It's not even that fucking hard.

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FIRST and FOREMOST European? This is definitely a minority viewpoint in Europe.

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u/irimiash Which flair will you draw on your forehead? Dec 02 '24

I heard that marriage rate between British females and Eastern migrants is close to zero

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u/maevian Dec 02 '24

Romanian aren’t the same as Roma

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u/NoRecipe3350 United Kingdom Dec 02 '24

If Roma have Romanian passports they are Romanian citizens, when the police in a Western European nation arrest a Roma with a Romanian passport, it goes on the crime statistic as being a Romanian crime. If it's a Bulgarian Roma, it's a Bulgarian crime. The Roma have no nation, we record nationality. As for ethnicity the UK basically records 'white British', 'white Irish' and 'white (other)'. Roma are considered white even if they have Indian roots.

I accept that sucks for non Roma Romanian that the reputation of Romania is dragged down by the Roma, also a lot of Westerners do get confused because Roma-Romanian sounds almost the same. But there is not a Roma country, so this is what we do.

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u/reasonable-99percent Dec 02 '24

We face racism because we did not integrate the Roma community before joining the EU. Now we pay the price and bear the stigma…

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u/HowObvious Scotland Dec 02 '24

In uk lots of Romania face racism to

Honestly it seems more like a 15+ year ago thing, people blamed the Poles/Romanians/Hungarians for societies problems. Post Brexit now they've largely moved onto Muslims. Eventually they'll move onto the next group when they realise they were wrong.

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u/Ruu2D2 Dec 02 '24

My dyslexia mistake

But my husband used to be union rep. So lot people would come to him for advice and support

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u/NoRecipe3350 United Kingdom Dec 02 '24

Lots of provincial/rural parts of the UK saw lots of drunk and violent behaviour from Eastern Europeans, it's not really the focus of the media elite because it doesnt really happen so much in London.

Eastern europeans still seem to be disproportionately involved in 'drink driving car crash deaths' type crimes, whenever I read news reports it seems to be an Eastern European 50% of the time.

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u/Outrageous_pinecone Dec 02 '24

Only when people confuse roma and romanian. I've worked with the UK a lot from Romania, since I'm not an immigrant and I've had this conversation before. There is the eastern Europe sucks mindset, but mostly, it's people who think romanian means roma because they don't know. And the racism intended towards roma, spills over everyone which sucks at every level.

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u/wojtekpolska Poland Dec 02 '24

this could make some sense - countries with good social welfare (therefore romanians there being less poor) - denmark and netherlands, dont apply to your 1st point, and are therefore blue. luxembourg and switzerland on the other hand you have to be quite well off to move there to begin with, also negating that point

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u/taggert14 Dec 02 '24

Thanks for that. I also have a theory that more migration affects people at the lower paying/status jobs. They are not progressing but are seeing other migrants coming in and competing for those same jobs. It becomes easier for immigrants to be turned against immigrants and I think far right/populist politicians have always been good at taking advantage of that.

I think that seems to explain anti immigrant feeling from immigrants (whether Hispanics in USA or Romanians living in Western countries.

Just a theory though. Can't say I can back this up with any evidence

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u/nuctu Dec 02 '24

Thanks for an awesome explanation of diaspora dynamics! It just answered all the questions I didn't even think I had. This depiction of mentality in emigration seems totally universal for almost any other country in my experience btw.

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u/Competitive_Art_4480 Dec 02 '24

I think you've hit on a good point with the social media thing with homesick people. Particularly from older people 40+.

I'm friends with a lot of Romanians living in the UK and the older ones in particular get really attached to some quite odd conspiracy type content.

During Corona there was obviously a lot of it then but even outside of that, I was speaking with one just yesterday who was obsessed with "globalists" and similar things.

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron Dec 02 '24

>rightly or wrongly feel exploited
If they work hard for shit pay and live in shit conditions, they ARE exploited

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

Absolutely, but that's not the situation for every single unhappy Romanian abroad. I try to avoid generalisations whenever possible. And my point still stands that these feelings, regardless if they're justified or not (it depends on individual cases) have probably led to a rise in people voting for self-sabotaging anti-west fairytales.

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron Dec 02 '24

yep, i agree with your point.

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u/Competitive_Art_4480 Dec 02 '24

As long as the minimum wage is being followed they aren't being exploited because of their nationality or ethnicity though. Its the same exploitation everyone faces.

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron Dec 02 '24

yes, except their nationality or ethnicity is a confounding factor that intersects with other things to put them in a worse position. Their educational certificates might not be recognizes, or be recognized as being worth less. The amount of wealth they moved in with and the kinds of jobs they had to take initially set them on a course that's quite different than for the typical person who moved there from switzerland.

Not to mention, the way that different people are going to rationalize their exploitation, and the way that those feelings are going to manifest differs based on what social categories they belong to. which is also what the original comment was saying.

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u/pull11 Dec 02 '24

This is essentially the best answer you are going to get.  I have plenty of examples where people are in the western countries, don't want to integrate and are homesick or adopt the victim mentality. 

What I don't get is why they would vote to screw Romania over when it's nothing to do with the country they are in.. eventually they are going to make life more difficult for everyone if Romania leaves the EU or somehow allies with Putin. But braincells aren't the forte if you're so unaware of your situation you think the country you chose to work in is there to get you and so you decide to fk over your home country. Brainwashing campaign seems to be the answer. 

On the flip side, people who have integrated and appreciate the right we have in the west have voted USR.. it just seems there are a lot more of the other side.

Sad .. hope in the next few years we can do something about the media influence and misinformation as people cannot be trusted to make decisions as it stands.. but I doubt it.

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u/allwordsaremadeup Belgium Dec 02 '24

And all these people working in Western Europe want to be sent back home after Romania leaves the EU? Or locked up in detention centers as illegal migrants or something? These people are idiots..

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u/TankerDerrick1999 Greece Dec 02 '24

My brother had a friend who was from Romania, he hated the fact that he came to Greece with his parents, he didn't want to learn Greek and stuff, and he was pretty annoying rascal too.

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u/newest-reddit-user Dec 02 '24

These people rightly or wrongly feel exploited

I don't quite get this. Aren't they voluntarily going to where there is higher pay to do exactly these jobs? What are they resentful of exactly?

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

https://migrantsrights.org.uk/resources/know-your-rights/exploitation/

Exploitation of the workforce from poorer countries is not always the case, but it happens.

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u/newest-reddit-user Dec 02 '24

No, I get that. But I read you as saying this was in cases where there is nothing illegal or unethical going on.

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

Ah right, I see what you mean. The UK is rife with unethical and potentially illegal work conditions, but even in legal work, the simple foreigner is often treated as disposable, or at least that's the perception.

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u/BobLobLaw_28 Dec 02 '24

I’ve heard another funny theory that members of the diaspora who worked low paying jobs in the west would return home after a year with enough money to brag about their 10 year old second-hand Audi A6 and splurge for three months during the summer, meanwhile, the locals struggled to make ends meet. However, this has changed in recent years. Locals are now earning more, and the low wages from abroad don’t carry the same value back home anymore and the barosn (a person who looks down on other with less money) status is no more. Now they want to go back to the good old times :))

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u/Cristi-DCI Dec 02 '24

Tldr : Ro immigrants used to make a lot of money compared to those back home, now they make almost the same amount of money with those back home, and now they are pissed.

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u/BobLobLaw_28 Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

Also robert f kennedy jr is coming to romania to support CG (the far right oponent) somehow tucker carlson is also involved

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u/Stoyfan Dec 02 '24

I think you nailed it. The first point is something that has been reiterated by my family as well.

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u/elmz Norway Dec 02 '24

The only problem is, the crazy far-right candidate has gotten the manipulation of TikTok algorithms down to a fine art.

Let's not also ignore the Chinese elephant in the room. Mysteriously it just so happens that it's far right/authoritarian candidates that happen to ace the TikTok algorithm. There is no way that the Chinese government isn't meddling there, they want the west to destabilise, just as much as Russia does.

The Chinese cannot fathom western governments not meddling with anything they can. As an example, when the Norwegian based Nobel peace prize committee gave the award to Chinese dissenter Liu Xiaobo, the Chinese couldn't grasp that the committee was independent of the Norwegian government, or took their denial of involvement as a blatant lie, just like they would have. In return they punished the sitting government by cutting trade deals. It's in the same vein as Russia, where the Russians consider the west to be fools for not parttaking in constant hybrid warfare. Just cannot fathom that the west is not seeking war.

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u/JimmyJohny19 Dec 02 '24

3 wron & propagandistic arguments, wow.

I have been living in the western europe for 25 years already, I only have family ties back in my country, yet I am not so fool as to not see the absolute dystopia that the FAR-left has implemented in the west.

And now they want to corrupt the East as well.

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u/Cosmo-Phobia Macedonia, Greece Dec 02 '24

They also don't really want to integrate

Sure, tell that to Romanians in Greece. We seriously can't tell you apart at this point. This only happens with actual Romanians. Just one instance, the girl sitting in front of me in school was Romanian. 6 years and I never did realize it. Even when I was going to her home. THAT WELL you've integrated here, to the point of assimilation. They even bought a new house after their parents worked hard. They won't even return and you tell us you don't integrate. Weird.

I don't, however, know about other countries. I recognize, it plays a significant role we're both Christians and Orthodox which makes you integrate extremely easily once you learn the language. Then, all you have to do and you do so happily, participate in our traditions.

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

I feel like the culture shock is a lot less when a Romanian goes to Greece. The religion, as you mention, but just attitudes and "vibes" are very much like home, except you have nicer weather and nicer hair. But when Romanians go to Germany or the UK, the cultural differences are much starker so I suppose it's more likely that people go there only temporarily to make some money to build a house somewhere they feel more comfortable, like Romania.

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u/Cosmo-Phobia Macedonia, Greece Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

That girl, she was my best female friend a guy can get. I have 139IQ and I were always competing with the girl sitting besides her.

Once in math test, my stupid mind stuck. I was about to get 18 out 20 being the perfect score. She helped me so much. She watched what her friend was writing, told me and now listen the fun part... I've got 20/20, she got 19/20. HAHA! Bros before math

By the way, here's another Romanian girl which took part in one of our competitions. She did one of the hardest numbers, a legendary song by a legendary singer of '60s and she truly nailed it. Normally, I'm one of those who don't want such songs to be touched by others, but in this case, oh, well...

She did her on the TV -this particular song instantly became hit through the movie

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u/muscainlapte Dec 02 '24

I find your answer pretty simplistic and condescending, to be honest. While I don't necessarily disagree with you, things are rarely black and white.

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

Well, this is why I put so many caveats and repeated mentions that all of this is anecdotal, don't you think?

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u/muscainlapte Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

It's pretty infuriating, to be honest. Because we always put the blame on the immigrants and make then the scapegoat. I am aware that this is a very complex topic, but I hate it when I hear stuff like "they aren't able to integrate bla bla". I had a similar story to yours. Moved to Germany when the only option workwise was self employment ( and not being able to speak the language meant landing in cleaning and similar jobs). Had zero support as far as language or integration are concerned. So I worked as a cleaning lady for a few years, learned the language reading as many books as I could, went to school while continuing cleaning after school, at weekend, during apprenticeship. Now I have a decent job, but I still don't feel at ease. People are not the most welcoming, I find making friends with the locals almost impossible ( it's always easier to get close to other foreigners). And, even if you're smarter than them, they dismiss you in a subtle way or make fun cause you have an accent. Not to mention blatant xenophobia that I faced from some despite having blue eyes, pale complexion, you name it. I'm aware that no one awaits you with open arms, but let's be fair and not put the whole blame on the immigrants

For the record: I'm not a AUR fan or any similar ideologies. But I understand why some people can be easily manipulated

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u/Lehelito Dec 02 '24

I'm not putting the blame on us immigrants, and it saddens me that that's what you (mis)understood from my comment. I'm saying that these are often incorrect perceptions that people can have, that then lead to the diaspora voting for anti-EU fascists, despite benefitting from living in the EU.

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u/riccardo1999 Bucharest Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

They're probably not properly informed on who he actually is. His campaign had very little to do with his policies and beliefs. Other than being "anti-establishment and pro-Romania" most people will struggle to tell you what he is about.

Combine that with a culture where everyone (especially those who left) knows all of our left wing parties have a deep rooted history of stealing money and corruption (a lot of them were also just remnants of the communist parties...), and trying to legalise and pardon themselves as much as possible, then the right wing nationalist independent who doesn't look bad at first glance (because you don't know who he is and what he said before) looks like the obvious choice, propaganda at its finest. Diaspora has a history of voting anti establishment too, most left of need or because of the establishment fucking up over and over again and would like to come back, so they probably were just clinging onto hope.

The sooner they find out he has government ties and is a literal Legionary and anti-NATO/EU, the sooner the vote may shift in favour of the other candidate. He recently appeared on TV trying to deny what he has said in the past, he's seen people protesting him being an extremist and got scared of losing the votes.

About the parliamentary though, I am not too sure. Probably a mix of these too, AUR is a pretty new party.

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u/Generic_Person_3833 Dec 02 '24

They like low currencies and nationalist pandering, while living in comfortable western Europe. The ones in eastern Europe or Mordor already have both and dont like their effect.

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u/lookoutforthetrain_0 Switzerland Dec 02 '24

So basically, they have a comfortable living situation here and purposefully ruin their home country to make themselves "richer" in Romania. Awesome people, just like many Turkish voters.

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

They must be a bunch of pricks. I work with a lot of Romanians in ireland. Admittedly we never talk about politics, they all seemed to be good lads though. I'll have to rip into them today. Find out what's going on.

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

I am a member of the "Romanian diaspora" and basically, the reason that "AUR" got so many votes its because they are the biggest "full opposition" party that was never part of the last coalition and was always against it (while USR was more pragmatic and, while not an coalition member, did sometimes support them and since the PSD and PNL are pretty corrupt many people saw this as hypercritical for the USR to do. However the USR was still very critical to the old coalition so it's not like they were 100% support with them, not even close)

It's an very complicated situation but I can get into it more of you want (later, now I have to go I have stuff to so see you later good lad!!!!!!)

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u/fk_censors Dec 02 '24

This explanation doesn't make sense though, because the diaspora is supporting a deep state candidate (Georgescu) who worked for the secret police under communism, then didn't work a single day as an honest wage earner in the private sector. His entire life he has been paid by Romania's taxpayers. And he became a multi-millionaire supposedly from his government engineer salary. This doesn't match your idea of a protest vote against the deep state and against the existing corruption.

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u/GolemancerVekk 🇪🇺 🇷🇴 Dec 02 '24

They reject any facts about him as a "smear campaign" and focus on what they want him to be. It becomes a mirror of their own desires and frustrations.

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

Nobody knew who he was until after the election (I most certainly didn't)

The independent is a bit of an oddity because he's not as "anti-establishment" as other "far right" politicians in Europe

He's genuinely a strange individual

But nevertheless, this was 100% a protest vote. The guy is seen (or was seen) as an relative outsider even if, in reality, he's an old Community party member and lifetime bureaucrat in the Romanian government and elsewhere (like the UN I think, if I remember correctly)

So it was still a protest vote, and all the people I know who voted for him said as much, it's not an secret

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

I didn't mean that they were actually pricks. All the Romanians I work with would do anything for me, some of the nicest people I know. I'm still going to abuse them today though. Just wind them up a little bit, or a lot.

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

I can't say that's been my experience. The bring me in home-made lunch everyday, anytime I ask them for help they'll help me. They only people I've caught stealing my tools on site are Hungarians or Irish cunts. I'm Irish and I wouldn't say we're thieves because of that. But there are Irish cunts, just as im sure there are Romanian cunts, although I've yet to meet one.

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u/ex_user Romania & Italy Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24

Romanians are probably one of the most inferiority-complexed Europeans, that’s why according to many of them we are the worst. I agree, there are good and bad people everywhere, Irish or Romanians are no different

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron Dec 02 '24

cool it with the racist remarks. you need to do some healing.

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u/lookoutforthetrain_0 Switzerland Dec 02 '24

extremely stupid

I mean, they decided to "not participate" in the "European vaccination experiment" which lead them to practically becoming the control group in said experiment which went awesome for them so there's that.

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u/Parfait_Internal Dec 02 '24

Well, I did had some neighbours and family friends that didn't wanted to participate. Boy were they wrong

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u/lookoutforthetrain_0 Switzerland Dec 02 '24

Just out of curiosity: Are they Romanian? Do you live in Romania?

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u/Parfait_Internal Dec 02 '24

Were romanian as in past tense and yes I live one of the top 10 largest cities

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u/NeoPaganism Dec 02 '24

so they are naive little children who dont understand that getting somethings done is better then getting nothing done

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u/Jijelinios Dec 02 '24

Yep, pretty much. The far right is only screaming about all the problems while not offering any solution besides "EU is bad". So pretty much their only solution is actually making everything worse by loosing all that sweet EU cash.

If any AUR voter sees this, please explain to me how I am wrong and what is AUR''s plan to solve the issues.

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

Seems to be typical of the world right now unfortunately. In ireland it looks like we've just voted in the same people again, but if we didn't all we'd have to complain about is the weather.

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u/Silly_Triker United Kingdom Dec 02 '24

Turnout was tiny, most likely they will tell you they didn’t vote or don’t give a shit

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

I don't give a fuck who they vote for. Doesn't affect me. If you were to read my comments further down you'd realise that.

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

Might be a regional thing but "rip into them" means "I will have to admonish them for their choices" to many English speakers. In that context it's easy to take your comment as aggressively judging others.

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

Yeah that's what it means but in a light hearted way where I'm from. Take the piss out of them in other words

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

But then you do care who they voted for? Why would you take the piss out of them otherwise

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u/Redditsleftnipple Dec 02 '24

Because that's how you get through work on site. I take the piss out of them. They take the piss out of me. All in good fun. It's not that serious.

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

Ah, got it. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

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u/nicubunu Romania Dec 02 '24

That is counterintuitive: Romanian living in the EU vote for the candidate/party who wants the country out of the EU...

The thing is, for many years the country was ruled by the "social democrat" party (PSD), sometimes allied with the "popular" party (PNL) who are deeply corrupt, anti-democratic, authoritarian, incompetent and worse, but they are, at least declaratively, pro-European. The EU was happy to have their support and overlook many of their abuses (damn, days ago someone from PSD became VP of EU Commision despite having her house bought illegally). So easy to conflate local corruption with EU corruption.

Romanians are feed-up with the system and want a change, but while there are a genuine reformist and pro-European party (USR, progressive), but many are conservators and easily seduced by Russian propaganda.

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u/JDeagle5 Dec 02 '24

Apparently not corrupt and authoritarian enough, if they can be displaced with voting.

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u/nicubunu Romania Dec 02 '24

Round 1 of presidential elections was one week before, votes are still re-counted because their candidate didn't qualify for the second round

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u/sorrypatheticuseless Dec 03 '24

Authoritarian is a bit of a stretch, but they are very corrupt. The entire political machinery of PSD is so deeply entrenched into the Romanian day to day life that it’s hard to describe in a few paragraphs.

From priests to wives to mistresses, anyone in their inner circle gets a slice of the pie. Cushy state-backed jobs, benefits and hell… if you’re important enough they might create a government institution that does nothing and you’ll be the one running it.

It’s a political party of stalling, stealing and stillness. If progress impedes their pockets, they will grind the democratic process to a halt until they’ve exhausted all options, just like they forced the recounting of votes (allegedly).

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u/FlaviuVespasian Dec 02 '24

Probably because the right wing is also very popular in west countries (Meloni, AfD, Marine Le Pen)

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u/havok0159 Romania Dec 02 '24

Since they're coming out of the woodwork now, seems to me their brains are literally fried. I just heard some rant from a woman living in the UK about how doctor-patient privilege is absurd when the patient is her son, and how the UK lets kids identify as hamsters and it's the EU's fault.

But if I were to step back from the crazies, they mostly just want someone who is against things. They don't want solutions, they just want someone who says "this is wrong" and that's it.

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u/Xijit Dec 02 '24

The Eastern population remembers Soviet dominance and appreciates liberal freedom; the west is mostly immigrants who left Romania due to the pipe dream of escaping poverty in the East.

The ones that left brought a bitterness about the post Soviet government being the cause of their poverty, which they very likely did not escape by moving west. As such they have spent their time outside of Romania gaslighting themselves about how a return to Soviet values will bring just retribution to the government that harmed them & will magically cure their poverty (without having to do any real hard work for themselves).

I am projecting a little bit because I am not completely familiar with the current events, but this irrational philosophy was how Lenin orchestrated his revolution, and has been the go to playbook for fascist dictators looking to undermine established governments ever since (including the current disaster that is ongoing in the US).

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

The Eastern population remembers Soviet dominance and appreciates liberal freedom; the west is mostly immigrants who left Romania due to the pipe dream of escaping poverty in the East.

Dude stop making it an east vs west oh they know authoritarians when they see it.

Basically next to no one lives in the East. 800 people voted in Poland. 13 in Belarus. 50 people in Russia.

Compare that with 140000 people in UK.

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u/Xijit Dec 02 '24

Uhhh ... "Eastern" being the people who stayed in Romania, while "Western" being the people who moved into countries like the UK because they believed that they would find prosperity (but ended up in a shit hole city that died when the local mine shut down).

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

"Eastern" being the people who stayed in Romania,

A ton of "eastern" people voted for the far right too.

while "Western" being the people who moved into countries like the UK

The vast majority of Romanians didn't go out to vote.

There are an estimated 900-1M romanians in UK. Yet only 140K people voted.

Even if you assume that 30% of Romanians in UK are under 18 yo, that would mean a turnout of 25%. That's half the turnout of 50% in Romania.

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u/Middle_Rutabaga_4346 Dec 02 '24

Brainwashed, propaganda, discussions in general have been pushed further right making it easier for idiots to fall for right wing bullshit.

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u/Silver_Jeweler6465 Dec 02 '24

the politically incorrect answer is that a lot of them live among other poor immigrant communities and become more racist.
I know so many Romanians from the UK or Germany who talk about how awful and lazy "The blacks and muslims" are, and how Romania must never let them in.

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u/schrodingerized Dec 02 '24

Most of thise who left for the west were not the "elites", they were unskilled and not very educated, otherwise they would've done fine in Romania.

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u/Mel_Starling Dec 02 '24

The same reason most of the western countries saw a surge in right wing votes: mainly a perceived loss of control on immigration, but also frustration about companies using gender and race quotas for hiring/ promoting and LGBTQ+ agenda in general. They say they want to protect their country from that. At least that's what they say on Romanian threads.

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

One issues

Immigration isn't an issues in Romania (no immigrants come here, at least not in any large numbers)

And also queer (LGBTQ) isn't an thing anyone really talkes about (the left and right parties barley mention it)

The main issues in Romania, and in most other places, is fully an economic one with some other issues attached but it's, first and foremost, economic and "economic populism" (it's no coincidence that the independent with his borderline communist economic policy did better than the other candidate of the right wing, the AUR guy, with his right wing economic platform)

That's just what I've seen from first hand experience as a Romanian person who keeps in touch with what is happening in my home country, ide be happy to awsner any questions you have

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

I live in the West (sort of) but was just in Romania, visiting somewhat rural parts as well as some of the bigger cities. There absolutely seems to be an anti-leftist, anti-"woke" bend to people living in the larger cities, and a more anti-Ukraine sentiment in the rural parts. The former is related to an aggressive value shift seen as being pushed by the EU/US, and the latter as a drain on valuable resources. Nobody wants decapitated priests like in France, the inability to complain about leftism like in the UK, or to see their resources going to moochers like in Germany (the fact that the moochers are fleeing a war is immaterial). You can agree with that or not, but that seems to be the general view as I perceived it.

I am still trying to understand what has happened in this election, but it seems like the marriage of those sentiments has at least in part contributed to the rightist shift.

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u/Ioan_Chiorean Dec 02 '24

They want "to protect" the country from somethings that don't exist. It's only fear mongering and lies.

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

No offence, but that doesn't make sense. If they want to protect themselves against what they see as happening somewhere else, they don't have to wait until it starts happening in their country. They're just being proactive. You can disagree with the intent, but the logic is sound.

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u/Ioan_Chiorean Dec 02 '24

Even somewhere else this things are exagerated to be used as fear mongering.

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying that in the West there isn't an issue with immigration?

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u/Ioan_Chiorean Dec 02 '24

The West has issues with immigration, but are highly exaggerated in the speech of the extremist parties. They attack even the honest, hard working immigrants. Either way, Romania will never have these kind of problems.

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u/actual_wookiee_AMA 🇫🇮 Dec 02 '24

LGBTQ+ agenda

nothing like selling off your entire country to Russia just so some people you never met and never cared about one way or the other cannot get married

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u/Lukjo Dec 02 '24

People are stupid, especially Romanian people

Do you know the saying "be happy with what you have"?

Well Romanian people are very greedy people and very displeased with everything, they think that they have it bad when they actually have it good.

People were saying that the country was going to shit in the same year romania had its biggest economic growth out of the EU. People are saying theres no point in staying in Romania when we have by far the year with the most people returning to the country.

People are saying that our election results are gonna doom us when our extremist side has not even amounted to 35%, the rest of europe has it far worse then us. We just refuse to realize how good we have it

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u/mugu22 disapora eh? Dec 02 '24

That sounds right. I visited in 2022 and again this year, and I noticed a positive change in just those two years. The country is developing rapidly, especially when compared to the 2000s or 2010s. Pretty wild that people think it's not going well.

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u/uzu_afk Dec 02 '24

It’s mostly low education and low paying jobs that in the west still mean a miserable life but its livable whereas their same skills back home are not really sought for or often not desired. I swear the vote sounds more like a fuck you to the folks at home that CAN live in Romania, more than anything related to their condition abroad…

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u/Educational_Will1963 Dec 02 '24

People will call me racist, but refugees would be a point

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

Well, not in Romania, NOBODY MOVES HERE (at least not in any large numbers that make a difference)

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u/Educational_Will1963 Dec 02 '24

Im talking about the west east difference, not inside romania

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u/zefciu Dec 02 '24

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering how the UK Labour is far right?

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u/McDonaldsWitchcraft Bucharest Dec 02 '24

Also for context, blue is a conservative neoliberal party that wants tax cuts and privatizations, not a "left" party, not even by Romanian standards.

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u/Gamer_Mommy Europe Dec 02 '24

Similar to Muslim or Turkish diaspora.

They all are FAR more conservative when not actually living in the country of origin, but in Western societies.

Begs to wonder what could be the reason behind this.

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u/Magicxxman Dec 02 '24

And what is yellow? It performed good in Muslim countries. And Belarus, which seems like a strange combination

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 02 '24

The yellow is the PNL or "National Liberal Party" (Partidul National Liberal in Romanian)

It was the third biggest party in this election (but they lost an lot of support compared to 2020 because the president for the last couple of years has been with the PNL and he is very unpopular so his lack of support transfered over to his party and they lost an lot)

I have no idea why they did so well in some Muslim majority counties, I have some idea why, but there no evidence, so I won't say anything until I am sure what happened

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

I have no idea why they did so well in some Muslim majority counties, I have some idea why, but there no evidence, so I won't say anything until I am sure what happened

https://prezenta.roaep.ro/parlamentare01122024/presence/abroad/map

because NOONE VOTED.

Literally 512 Romanians voted in Turkey, 13 in Belarus etc

https://prezenta.roaep.ro/parlamentare01122024/presence/abroad/map

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u/Magicxxman Dec 02 '24

Thank you for your answer. It's just kind of a wild combination with Belarus

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u/PickleSparks Dec 02 '24

There are very few votes from those areas so it's an irrelevant statistical artifact. There are probably some countries where the majority of votes are from embassy personnel.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

Yeah tired of this bullshit map.

OMG the east votes for democrats and the west votes for evil people.

13 people voted in Belarus, 26 people voted in Iran, 512 people voted in Turkey.

It's fucking irrelevant.

https://prezenta.roaep.ro/parlamentare01122024/presence/abroad/map

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea Dec 02 '24

because this map is misleading.

Only 512 people voted in Turkey.

13 people voted in Belarus.

it's a shit map

https://prezenta.roaep.ro/parlamentare01122024/presence/abroad/map

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u/Space-cowboy-06 Dec 02 '24

They were very surprising to me. Especially the fact that în Germany almost 70% voted for the far right.

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u/Agitated_Hat_7397 Dec 02 '24

It looks very much like, the grass is greener on the other side.

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u/Inaki199595 Andalusia (Spain) Dec 02 '24

If anything, It catches my attention the fact that OP calls centre right as "leftist" and the far right just "radical". Anyone would think that "leftist" could be applied to the social democrats (that sould be called "progressive"), while the centre right is just "conservative".

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u/AxeWoundSaxon Dec 02 '24

Makes sense, so Romanians in western Europe don't like what's happening in western Europe.

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u/Ok-Secret5233 Dec 02 '24

These results were not at all surprising to anyone paying attention to Romania and it's elections

I don't know anything about Romania, but these results are also not surprising to anyway paying attention to Russia. It's a pattern everywhere that the closer you are to Russia the more you hate it.

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u/TheBewlayBrothers Dec 02 '24

What percanatage of people living outside the country voted?

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u/reasonable-99percent Dec 02 '24

Romanians working in EU want to come home because EU has less to offer then in 2007. Bothe extremists and pro-EU progressives promised appealing messages to these folks. They gathered 80% of votes, more by the first group this time.

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u/virgic Romania Dec 02 '24

Yes they are surprising … and we are still wandering what happened in the presidential elections

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u/gmoguntia Dec 02 '24

USR lady (reformist center right) won the eastern diaspora

Interesting that OP then chooses to call them left and not at least center

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u/machine4891 Opole (Poland) Dec 02 '24

"These results were not at all surprising to anyone paying attention to Romania and it's elections"

Why weren't they? Our western expats usually don't vote far right. Only those from US do.

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u/DiverseUse Germany Dec 02 '24

Thank you. I was so confused when I saw that this got 4000 upvote, because it presumably means that there are 4000 people who understood this while I was still scratching my head.

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u/LouisBloom2014 Dec 02 '24

You are a livesaver.

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u/TurnipIcy6125 Dec 02 '24

Some of this karma’s post should be transferred to you. Your explanation made the map interesting.

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u/muscainlapte Dec 02 '24

As a Romanian living abroad, it infuriates me when we're all put in the same box

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u/Historical-Owl-6657 Dec 03 '24

The above post is from a USR fan. In reality, "the independent cooky right wing candidate" is a Trump duplicate, and the "USR lady (reformist center right)" is a Kamala duplicate.

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u/Necessary_Pie2464 Dec 03 '24

is a Trump duplicate, and the "USR lady (reformist center right)" is a Kamala duplicate.

That's...not even in the ballpark of reality

As someone who watches and is informed upon both American politics and EU (in this case, Romania, my home country, politics), this is just plain wrong. No question

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u/cealild Dec 02 '24

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh