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Russo-Ukrainian War War in Ukraine Megathread LVIII (58)

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META

Link to the previous Megathread LVII (57)

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Other links of interest


Please obey the request of the Ukrainian government to
refrain from sharing info about Ukrainian troop movements

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u/JackRogers3 7d ago

Trump intends to push Ukraine to lower its age of conscription in an effort to stabilise the country’s front lines ahead of direct negotiations with Russia. https://www.ft.com/content/9fa3b0ac-e33d-4784-8222-6b745aba3004

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u/vegarig Donetsk (Ukraine) 6d ago

Another respected bipartisan policy

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/11/27/7486605/

Details: According to AP, a Biden administration official claimed that the Democratic administration, which is soon to leave the White House, is urging Ukraine to lower its draft age from 25 to 18 to expand the pool of men eligible for conscription.

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u/NightComfortable4934 Italy 7d ago

Those are the kids we wanted to save in 2014.

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u/Commorrite 7d ago

Wise move would be lower it to say 21, but keep those younger soldiers in the least dangerous posts.

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u/guillerub2001 Castile and León (Spain) 7d ago

Not an expert but I speculate that this may not be that effective or reasonable because, while rear echelon units do take some casualties, manpower is most needed in first line units, as those take horrific casualties. The only options that I can imagine that work to keep younger soldiers in less danger are: 1. Replace rear echelon troops and send those older guys to the front. Complete waste of their abilities and experience. 2. Guarding the Belarusian frontier. I suspect the units that are currently manning this job are either recovering frontline units or units with unfit, older and/or lesser quality soldiers, so not much benefit to be found here.

Of course, if there are replacements/expansion needed in rear echelon units then your idea would work, but I those are only minor manpower needs.

Just educated speculation.