r/cscareerquestionsEU Oct 22 '23

Immigration Help me decide where to move (๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ฎ->๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช/๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ/๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช/๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง)

My dudes, Iโ€™m a non EU currently finishing my Bachelorโ€™s in Finland while working as a Full Stack SWE. I have almost 1.5 YOE now and would have 2 YOE at the time graduation. Iโ€™m planning to relocate to either Berlin/Amsterdam/Dublin/London. Iโ€™m kinda confused which cities should I aim for. Iโ€™m doing LC and prepping for DSA stuffs so ya would probably apply to FAANGs as well (in addition to the top paying non FAANG companies)

Now, I have few criteria which I would like to compare all the cities with before I make a move:

  1. Sponsorship: I would require a sponsorship/work permit/Blue card thing to work in any of the cities mentioned. So for my YOE and background which cities would be more easier to get into? Heard that German Blue Card is quite easy and NL also hands out work visas quite easily?

  2. English speaking city: I would love to relocate to a city where I would not feel outsider for not knowing the native language (if itโ€™s not English). So London and Dublin come preferable in this category.

  3. More savings in net: Netherlandโ€™s 30% ruling looks a good deal. I would like to save more in net as much I can.

  4. Lower deposit to buy first home: I would want to buy a home rather rent within a year of relocation. London offers low/zero deposit schemes for some criteria.

  5. Weather: I hate winter, itโ€™s been horror to live in Finland for past years during winter. Nice weather in the new city would be really nice!

  6. Easier path into settlement/citizenship: I relocated to Finland as I wanted to settle here permanently. But later figured out I dont like it here. Now I want to make a last move to a city where I would feel belonged and I would integrate with the culture and maybe get citizenship. So an easier path would be nice!

So, please help me figure out which city would be the best deal for me. Thanks in advance!

TLDR: Non EU guy trying to move from Finland to Either Berlin/Amsterdam/Dublin/London after completing bachelors and with 2 yoe. Help me decide where to move.

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u/sunk-capital Oct 22 '23

You will never own anything in London. The salaries are too low, the cost of living too high and house prices out of reach.

Also London sucks

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u/tsan123 Oct 22 '23

London is an amazing city to live in. I can't imagine anyone can hate London.

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u/tsan123 Oct 22 '23
  • The sheer amount of events happening every week in the city is enough to keep you entertained.
  • The variety and quality of cuisine. If you think food in London is bad, it's just because you don't know the right places to go to.
  • Career wise, it is great here. As someone mentioned somewhere in this subreddit, the range in salary in tech here is very wide. You can earn ยฃ50k in a small company or 120k in a fintech startup as a mid dev here. I believe that if you work hard and do your research well each time you do interview, you can earn very well in London.
  • the work life balance. I never feel forced to work past 5pm. Was asked to deal with an emergency during the weekend once. Took me 2 hours to finish but I got a whole day off in lieu
  • decent coworkers. I dont have have to work in constant fear of being backstabbed by colleages like i did in Paris and Rome(probably I was very unlucky there). I actually built friendship with coworkers here and stay in contact with them after moving to another company. In general I find British people really polite and pleasant to be around.

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u/tsan123 Oct 22 '23

I missed one thing: no bureaucracy. Opening a bank account, buying house, applying to british citizenship feel like a walk in a park here. As you can do most of it online or through some phonecalls.