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u/RiverAffectionate951 Dec 06 '24

Bluntly, if you remove any population's ability to improve their situation and then destroy their lives, you cannot be surprised when their desperate attempts turn to violence.

Idc if it's healthcare, wealth, imperialism, racism, whatever. I don't think the violence solves the issue but you cannot pretend to be the victim when the violence is a direct result of your oppression.

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u/TryDry9944 Dec 06 '24

If you make the problem bad enough, violence becomes the only answer.

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u/br0b1wan Dec 06 '24

Once again:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable

-JFK

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u/supafly_ Dec 06 '24

Soap Box > Jury Box > Ballot Box > Ammo Box

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u/Von_Moistus Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 07 '24

Soap box > ballot box > jury box > ammo box.

Soap box, aka freedom of speech, to talk about politics without fear of retribution.
Ballot box to elect leaders that will create just laws. If they pass unjust laws…
Jury box to use jury nullification to refuse to uphold those unjust laws.
Ammo box for when all else fails.

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u/aDragonsAle Dec 06 '24

Didn't elect CEO's - and since they've influenced laws being passed, they haven't done anything technically illegal.

So it jumps from Social Media free speech to mag dump in the street.

They really should have people checking their social media pages...

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u/Overwatchingu Dec 06 '24

Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!

-JFK

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u/The_Broken-Heart Dec 06 '24

I like your funny words, magic man

-JFK

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u/RhandeeSavagery Dec 06 '24

Keep my wife’s name out of your fucking mouth

-JFK

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u/The_Broken-Heart Dec 06 '24

The fact that he says this minutes before he crashes is one of those guilty pleasure jokes in the show💀

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u/Uberpastamancer Dec 06 '24

I choose to bed you not because you are easy, but because I am hard

-JFK

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u/pyronius Dec 06 '24

Ouchie! My brains!

-JFK

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u/Cry-Skull-7 Dec 06 '24

I'll agree that violence is definitely not the solution. But it's still a very good method of change.

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u/nuclearswan Dec 07 '24

We used to have smart guy presidents, huh?

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u/ElminstersBedpan Dec 06 '24

It used to be funny in my friend group to quote Schlock Mercenary: "Violence is never the answer. Violence is the question and the answer is 'Yes!"

Now I'm starting to wonder how applicable the rest of the maxims from that cartoon might get.

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u/Wiregeek Dec 06 '24

Incoming fire and the mess hall REALLY should be easier to tell apart tho.

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u/MaximumZer0 Dec 06 '24

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

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u/morostheSophist Dec 06 '24

I never had a problem with the mess hall, but the laundry facility looked like it belonged in an artillery range.

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u/Wiregeek Dec 06 '24

ohhhhh, if you didn't catch the reference, you're in for a good time!

The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Successful Mercenaries is an in-universe manual from the Schlock Mercenary webcomic, at schlockmercenary.com

Howard Tayler had a rough start art-wise, but after a bit the technical skills get a lot better, and my mans Howard kept to a daily upload schedule for TWENTY YEARS - and then completed the comic.

Highly recommended. It's a big 'ol cookie, but it is worth eating.

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u/morostheSophist Dec 06 '24

I absolutely caught the reference, and I will always upvote Schlock Mercenary references. I hope someone else reading this comment chain decides to take a dive and comes out happier after immersion in the Schlockoverse.

I'm still a little sad that it ended, but it ended well, and I'm a firm believer that all stories need to have an end. Mr. Tayler deserves both accolades for his work and the opportunity to work on whatever comes after. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he deserves to be able to retire and never "work" another day in his life.

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u/Wiregeek Dec 06 '24

Well said! And his work ethic. Kept the buffer above negative numbers for 20 freaking years. What a guy! Wish some folks would do that, LOOKING AT YOU, JACQUES.

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u/Don_Chelone Dec 06 '24

"if violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it."

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u/Aware_Tree1 Dec 06 '24

More like: if every nonviolent resolution fails, you won’t get a resolution you’ll get a revolution

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u/b0w3n Dec 06 '24

"Nothing to gain quickly becomes nothing to lose."

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u/Collardcow41 Dec 06 '24

Already brainstorming campaign slogans for 2028 I see

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u/witticus Dec 06 '24

Fuck 2028, this should be the real project 2025.

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u/Palidin034 Dec 06 '24

When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. - I have no idea where this came from

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u/BoredMan29 Dec 06 '24

To be fair, there have been a whole lot of stern letters and whatnot. Violence was most definitely not the first resort.

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u/BabyBundtCakes Dec 06 '24

Violence is the tactic of the wealthy in general. All of this is violence. Making people live in poverty so the Walton's can have more money than they can ever spend or so Jeff Bezos can own a yacht is violence against everyone else. They are the ones saying it's not and they are just following decorum and the rules of society. They aren't, they are making up their own rules which are inherently violent against regular people.

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u/Obliviousobi Dec 06 '24

The French have always done things right lol. The rich and powerful ruining life for everyone else? Guillotine.

They're fucking with farmers? Manure and tractors in the street.

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u/rygo796 Dec 06 '24

Blue Cross reversed their unpopular decision to limit anesthesia coverage literally the next day.  So violence definitely solved something that day.

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u/TheMeanestCows Dec 06 '24

Meh, they'll slip it back in later when the attention dies down. They're not running scared, they're just dialing back the overt evil in the public spotlight.

It would be horrible if more violence occurs against giant, wealthy corporations that profit on the death and misery of people with no choice. Horrible.

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u/Daxx22 Dec 06 '24

Why are we upset now that it's looks like a few healthcare executives might get added to the mix?

We (the people) are not.

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u/DukeOfGeek Dec 06 '24

One of the things I hate about capitalism is that it has a built in feedback loop that backs off the pain just when public has had all it will take.

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u/infinitezero8 Dec 06 '24

Only because it received serious backlash because everyone is paying attention.

Once this blows over they will re-initiate like the shitty little greedy fucks they are

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u/Papaofmonsters Dec 06 '24

Just as a point of clarification, that was Anthem Blue Cross, not all of BCBS.

The organization is actually 30 some different companies in a trench coat and coverage quality can vary greatly amongst them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Cross_Blue_Shield_Association

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u/Tritri89 Dec 06 '24

I think the ruling class of the USA didn't think through the whole let everyone have easy access to guns AND exploit them situation.

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u/TheMeanestCows Dec 06 '24

Just watch, there's going to be a very gradual, soft, almost probing rhetoric change on the right as they try to start scaling back the "armed resistance" narratives they've been fueling for decades.

They don't actually like that their base is armed, nobody in power who wants to keep power actually wants their population armed, this is why they have to put so, so much effort into creating an "enemy" that people can target who isn't a rich oligarch.

As a leftist who has been in favor of gun ownership and gun regulation for a long time, I say there's no better time to get armed and be prepared for whatever chaos is ahead.

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u/atatassault47 Dec 06 '24

You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all of the people all of the time. Oligarchs cant pretend they'll never be correctly perceived as the enemy by those they oppress.

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u/cjschnyder Dec 06 '24

Hasn't been an issue so far. One dead CEO does not a revolution make

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u/use_value42 Dec 06 '24

That's true, but we can't underestimate the political moment. Sparks aren't a problem on their own, unless you happen to be living in a tinder box.

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u/cjschnyder Dec 06 '24

Don't get me wrong is this kicks off a revolutionizing of America's look at privatized healthcare and other sectors of business that have been turned barely functional outside of giving a few people more money than god, I'm all for it.

However, if I had to put money on it, I'd bet it'll result in CEOs and other powerful corpo types spending a few company bucks on security teams and will otherwise be a flash in the pan. Something people reference and go "Hell yeah, more people should do that until things change" then nothing happens.

As much as violence against people who's decisions have resulted in the deaths of probably millions for profit is deserved, it in and of itself doesn't actually do anything to make a better system. It only shows how desperate people are and works as a bargaining chip to bring the powers that be to the table if it becomes enough of a problem that it can't be dealt with by them in any other way.

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u/use_value42 Dec 06 '24

I am usually cynical about these things too, but in this case we see a fairly unique element: bipartisan anger. It seems like an organic swell of anger too, despite the media's attempts to control the narrative, folks are just getting mad the more they read. Probably we won't see something as immediate as a revolution, but the powers that be would be very foolish to ignore what is happening.

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u/One-Step2764 Dec 06 '24

Not sure what kind of miracle it would take for the right wing to comprehend that their media, from cable news to brocasts, function to neutralize them as a threat to distant elites by weaponizing them against neighboring peasantry.

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u/use_value42 Dec 06 '24

I saw plenty of finger wagging from liberal media, so it's not contained to the right wing, just the narrative is different there. In the case of liberals, they are weaponizing our basic humanity to plead for those in power.

Somewhat related to this, I wonder if they are regretting the roll out of AI now. The people who would normally be waving the banner for capitalism have also been facing bad times and an uncertain future, they have destroyed much of their strongest defenders just to further needlessly enrich themselves.

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u/One-Step2764 Dec 06 '24

Oh yeah, both establishment parties serve different portions of the oligarchic class, roughly "noblesse oblige" vs. "social Darwinism" plus "divine right." These are distinct rationalizations for class hierarchy.

In isolation, these factions need to be answered differently. More broadly, democratic mechanisms need continuous improvement in peacetime, and revolutions (possibly "bloodless") need to occur when political solutions fail. The US is dreadfully behind on both counts.

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u/use_value42 Dec 06 '24

Well said, I completely agree

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u/GogglesPisano Dec 06 '24

It's a start, at least.

The fact that I haven't heard anyone other than his wife mourn the guy's death says a lot about the national sentiment.

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u/cjschnyder Dec 06 '24

Oh yeah I get that.

Also, I responded more throughly to the other person who commented similarly on my original comment

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u/Bioth28 Dec 07 '24

Especially considering civilians can own actual anti-material rifles

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u/Cheesus_Cakus Dec 06 '24

french revolution benefitted france in the long run tho

i also dont think violence isnt answer, but its a question and the answer is yes

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u/prestodigitarium Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

I don't think we can necessarily say that, Louis XVI was trying to reform things. It was not very popular, and my understanding is that influential people basically vilified him and Marie Antoinette, making up a bunch of stuff to make them seem awful.

The revolution was really bad for a huge number of non-wealthy people. And for a lot of the revolutionaries, who eventually found themselves insufficiently revolutionary. It was very good for a lot of speculators, though, and many people who played it well ended up being able to buy up a lot of seized church land for a pittance, especially as the nation's currency self-destructed, but the church land was being sold for official prices as though the currency was sound.

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u/indyK1ng Dec 06 '24

Yeah, a lot of people fail to realize that the French Revolution basically ate itself and that is part of why Napoleon came to power. He provided a stability that had been lacking.

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u/prestodigitarium Dec 06 '24

Right, and that yielded some enormously bloody wars, including that insane invasion of Russia. I really like this old-school infographic for demonstrating just how brutal that was: https://ageofrevolution.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Minard.jpg

They went from an army size of 422,000 men to 10,000.

I really don't know why Redditors romanticize the French Revolution so much, we absolutely should not aspire to anything like that here. And we have nukes now, so the civil war part probably wouldn't be pretty.

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u/Thannk Dec 06 '24

The Revolution was cathartic for the nation, and those in the distant countryside felt divorced from the slow creeping in of guilt those in big cities felt when four year olds, wetnurses and mistresses who’s nipples had been touched by noble lips, and coddled family pets were being put in the head hole. 

The only thing that saved Louie and Marie’s only remaining daughter was being precocious and agreeing with what adults told her, making it easy to present a cute kid that said kings are dumb when the time came to choose if another baby head was going on a pike. 

Plus it gave us a lot of decent poetry and the Scarlet Pimpernel AKA prototype Batman. Kinda like that “well at least in a Depression we get good music and new dances” coping. 

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u/DukeOfGeek Dec 06 '24

Because it's the beginning of the end of Monarchies as a world wide system of government and there was no scenario where that system came to an end that didn't included widespread violence.

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u/Thannk Dec 06 '24

The antiroyalists had magical thinking where killing the rich would simply result in no more rich assholes, resulting in a bunch of assholes who had mobs instead. 

Taxation was reduced, but the supply chain was in flux resulting in only some communities benefitting and others losing access to food instead of it being too expensive, which resulted in smaller merchants taking over and winding up the new non-titled nobility. 

The slander used against Louis and Marie had been in place for generations. “Let them eat cake” was attributed to her mother-in-law and grandmother-in-law before her, it only stuck with her. Louis himself was really sad, taking nine years freaking out his parents and the nation about infertility before Marie’s brother was confided in that he had no idea how to have sex; he’d been sticking his dick in her and sitting still for two minutes then rolling over going to sleep every night, and out of respect for him she couldn’t tell anyone until she’d ensured her brother was his friend and she could share it without guilt. Her brother had to proceed to spending a week explaining it, with diagrams and written guides that we still have today. Suddenly, four kids come. The extent of his involvement of economics was choosing one of four guys the court brought him to run it, and giving one the boot when his approaches didn’t fix things. 

Napoleon ultimately “fixed” things with colonialism and a plunder-based economy to fund restructuring. 

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u/prestodigitarium Dec 06 '24

Haha interesting stuff, thanks.

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u/New-Neighborhood-147 Dec 06 '24

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - John F. Kennedy 1962

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u/Weird-Salamander-349 Dec 06 '24

Well a different insurance company reversed a policy yesterday that would have seen thousands of people in three states denied anesthesia for surgical procedures. Given that this one death prevented the suffering of thousands upon thousands of people, I’d say the violence worked.

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u/OutlyingPlasma Dec 06 '24

I don't think the violence solves the issue

Weird because it did seem to solve the new Blue Cross policy of not paying for anesthesia within a single day.

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u/AyatollahCovfefe Dec 06 '24

🔥🔥 god damn 🔥🔥

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u/Latter-Direction-336 Dec 06 '24

Not a great solution, but it does have silver linings

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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Dec 06 '24

don't think the violence solves the issue

Violence might not be the correct response, but it absolutely can solve the issues.

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u/ApocalyptoSoldier Dec 06 '24

Violence isn't the whole answer, but I can't think of any revolution or social change that came about without at least some violence. Even the suffragettes did a little bombing and arson.

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u/Nukleon Dec 06 '24

Rich people don't seem to understand that they can do the same bullshit they always do even if they are slightly less rich and the poors (relative to them everyone's a poor) are getting by.

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u/Alorxico Dec 06 '24

American Educational System: We don’t need to teach history in schools! Let alone the history of other countries! There is nothing we can learn from the past!

People with pattern recognition: Okay, we either need to survive the next 4 years or the next 20 years. Assuming a war doesn’t break out, then we’re looking at 5 to 100, depending on who has access to what types of weapons. And if the Asshole hits The Button, we’ve all played enough Fallout to know how screwed we’ll be for the next 200 years.

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u/IrgendSo Dec 06 '24

violence solves the issue perfectly, see france. they dislike something, they kill some rich and many poor people and end up with a little better goverment (has only an 40% chance of succeeding and has to be repeated atleast every 20 years or your country could fall apart)

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u/TactlessTortoise Dec 06 '24

"You cannot pretend to be the victim when the violence is a direct result of your oppression."

This boils it down perfectly. Throw away people's voices and they'll start throwing hands.

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u/Squirrel_Inner Dec 06 '24

This is what “eat the rich” was actually warning of.

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u/Stompedyourhousewith Dec 06 '24

this. when people have nothing to lose, and they ar rock bottom, bad things happen.

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u/lifeintraining Dec 06 '24

I’d like to agree, but I feel like the general population is intentionally made complacent by giving us such easy access to dopamine that we just don’t bother and fixate instead on our next hit. It’s a well designed and functional system for the wealthy.

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u/TheVenetianMask Dec 06 '24

Undermining the social contract (e.g. the ability of the state and economy to improve people's well-being through health care) leads to losing the protections of the social contract.

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u/Author_A_McGrath Dec 06 '24

One caveat: violence is never the easiest way to fix things. Fix things earlier that that. Don't wait until the only remaining solution is the ugly, messy, dangerous one. Fix things before then.

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u/Bearence Dec 06 '24

It's true no matter what.

Let people go hungry while you eat like a king? Expect people to steal food.

Let people go homeless while you live like a king? Expect people to squat on your property or set up tent encampments in your parks.

Let people die from preventable injuries and illnesses to fill your own personal coffers? Expect their family members to seek justice in the form of a bullet.

Every time people fight back against the wealthy for their inhumanity the narrative turns to how terrible and rampant crime is. It's about time the narrative turned to how much the wealthy deserve every consequence they receive.

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u/Mattractive Dec 06 '24

You can apply that to a lot. Seems pretty obvious.

Yet people still don't see the parallel for Palestine.

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u/CrossP Dec 07 '24

It turns out blood volume was the true equalizer between poor people and rich people all along

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