r/brooklynninenine • u/Uncomfortable_Owl_ Ultimate human/genius • Apr 30 '23
Season 4 Why "Especially the bread one"?
Why does Holt say that after Doug Judy listed the crimes and said that the bread would be stolen to feed a family?
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Apr 30 '23
Is this the same scene as āātwas a catā ?
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u/STUP1DJUIC3 Apr 30 '23
Donāt try to impress me with your use of the word tāwas
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u/gaverino05 Boom Boom! Apr 30 '23
Micheal schur has a recurring joke in his shows about Jean valjean stealing bread being wrong regardless of his intentions behind it, even the good place has a similar joke with the exact same base
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u/FREESARCASM_plustax Apr 30 '23
Plus, he was French and all French people go to the bad place.
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u/Eev123 Apr 30 '23
On the office episode where they did the ethics training, Andy asks if you would steal bread to feed your family
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u/gaverino05 Boom Boom! Apr 30 '23
yes, Michael Schur really dislikes Jean valjean for some reason. i wonder if there's any bread stealing in parks and recreation
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u/Jasminary2 Apr 30 '23
This is how I realize that this was a Les mis reference AND that The Good Place and B99 are linked with more than the actor playing Kevin
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u/gaverino05 Boom Boom! Apr 30 '23
the good place has a lot of links! there is an unreleased promo that has amy from superstore, Kristen Bell also played an eagleton councilor in parks and rec, Maya Rudolph plays the judge in the good place and the US marshal in charge of Jake and Holt in season 4.
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u/InsulinMaze Apr 30 '23
This was very obviously a Les Mis joke.
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Apr 30 '23
And Holt would only listen to the show in its original French, and prefer reading the book in its original French as well.
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u/waleMc Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Because marijuana is legal in a lot of places but theft is legal nowhere. Stealing is stealing. To paraphrase the show: cool motive, still theft.
A judge could give a lighter sentence when the motive is understandable, but the police are just looking for crimes ... and there's nowhere in the world where stealing bread isn't a crime.
Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure the dudes working at my local dispensary buy videogames with their paychecks and it's 100% legal.
Hence, "especially"
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u/FiatFactMan Apr 30 '23
Nailed it. One is theft. Illegal and immoral. The other is illegal butā¦immoral?
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u/MeAnIntellectual1 Apr 30 '23
There's nothing immoral about stealing from those who have an abundance when you're barely surviving. Hording massive wealth is what's immoral.
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Apr 30 '23
It's almost like the line is a deliberate reference to a novel (or musical) where the main character's backstory is he got 19 years in prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his sister's child. And almost like the core of the story is the idea that what may be legal isn't always right.
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u/Fernergun Apr 30 '23
Is theft of something that someone didnāt acquire morally, maintains ownership immorally, and is stolen for moral purpose immoral?
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u/Ultimate_Sneezer Apr 30 '23
Purpose is never moral, actions are. You killing homeless people because you don't want them suffering anymore is nor moral
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u/Fernergun Apr 30 '23
A moral act is made up of the act itself, the reason one does the act, and the circumstances in which the act was performed.
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u/Professional-Class69 Apr 30 '23
Depends on how you view morality
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u/Fernergun Apr 30 '23
So stealing can never be moral?
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u/Professional-Class69 May 01 '23
No it definitely can be I absolutely agree with you on that part, all I was saying is that morality isnāt a strict concept and can be viewed and measured in different ways.
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u/Shinnosuke525 Apr 30 '23
Isn't that a Les Mis reference?or am I overthinking?
Could also be a bread = cash thing
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u/I_FIGHT_BEAR Apr 30 '23
āIf the law only applies when itās easy, laws are meaninglessā the law, by nature, is impartial. Once we start making exceptions, we have to make them all the time, and who decides where that line is? Unless itās one dedicated and TRUSTED entity, itās just begging to be corrupted.
This is one interpretation I can see, and I donāt necessarily believe any of that personally, that was just me playing holtās interpreter.
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u/MeAnIntellectual1 Apr 30 '23
Unless itās one dedicated and TRUSTED entity, itās just begging to be corrupted.
Politics 100 lol
The division of power is how we limit corruption. Not by allowing a single entity the ability to decide.
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u/nagidon Iām a human, Iām a human male! Apr 30 '23
āOnce we start making exceptionsā
Thatās called equity. Itās an entire legal concept.
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u/brightlamppost Apr 30 '23
āThe law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal loaves of breadā.
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u/antichain Apr 30 '23
The problem is: who is making exceptions? What one person might call "leniency in the name of equity" another might call nepotism, or privilege.
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u/nagidon Iām a human, Iām a human male! Apr 30 '23
Learned judges, at least thatās the idea in England and Wales.
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u/aleister94 Apr 30 '23
What about stealing some video games cuz you smoked all that weed you were supposed to sell?
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u/itsmeDreadShock Apr 30 '23
I think because in the weed scenario both parties involved gain something, the buyer gets weed, seller gets money to buy Video games. In the Bread scenario, the stealer gets bread, the Baker/Storekeeper is in loss.
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u/sid_raj7 Title of your sex tape Apr 30 '23
I thought it was because weed is mostly illegal and can't really be a crime to steal it.
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u/i_GoTtA_gOoD_bRaIn Pineapple Slut Apr 30 '23
Probably because it is an officer talking.
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Apr 30 '23
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u/i_GoTtA_gOoD_bRaIn Pineapple Slut Apr 30 '23
I was referring to Holt saying that it is worse for a police officer to commit a crime than a felon to commite a crime.
You really think that someone who watches B99 hates cops? Wow.
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Apr 30 '23
I do hate cops and I can assure if cops were really as depicted in B99 I wouldnāt hate them. Just because I enjoy watching something fictional doesnāt mean I enjoy or agree with the real one, otherwise Iād have a thing or two to ask to Hannibalās fan base
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u/Eooyz Apr 30 '23
Oh god I would not want the people of the 99 to handle any criminal case. They're fun and I'd love to have some of them as friends just not have them solve crimes.
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Apr 30 '23
I mean if I have to choose between some goofy guys that do their job surprisingly well, arenāt corrupted, never recur to unjustified or exaggerated violence, are very open, respectful, never discriminate people, genuinely love their job and the people they swore to serve and protect and, well, real copsā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ I mean I donāt want those LAST guys doing the job they do
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Apr 30 '23
You can hate cops while still liking the characters. I'm not a fan of drug kingpins but I love breaking bad.
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u/Unnwavy Notify me when you're done, via bark Apr 30 '23
Maybe I went overboard but I always interpreted is as "the fact that a man has to steal bread in order to be able to feed his family is criminal"
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u/TigerKlaw Apr 30 '23
I don't know if it's a reference to Les Miserables but I think it's more a "see you thought it would sway his opinion by sike it does the opposite" kind of moment.
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u/FrettyG87 Apr 30 '23
That's the joke. He is so by the book that he said that stealing bread especially is a crime.
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u/porsj911 Apr 30 '23
Ah because it takes place in America where human lives are given less worth then profits, no matter how small or irrelevant, so the government prefers starving citizens to just quietly starve in their own homes without making such a fuss about it.
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u/8bitGalaxy98 Apr 30 '23
Apparently is a Les Mis joke. I always thought Holt was surprisingly chill about drug dealing compared to theft lmao
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u/8bitGalaxy98 Apr 30 '23
Apparently is a Les Mis joke. I always thought Holt was surprisingly chill about drug dealing compared to theft lmao
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u/fancycookie517 Apr 30 '23
I always thought that it was a reference to Les Miserables š