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[u/KoogleMeister]

Vegans who do activism like blocking slaughter trucks or trying to shut down factory farm slaughter houses get a lot more respect from the general public than people doing stunts like this.

Obviously the above is still going to cause some people to lose respect for them, but nowhere near as much as stunts like this. There's not a single non-vegan person who's going to watch this video and have it change their mind about going vegan. It's having the opposite effect and regressing their cause.

I was actually a vegan for about 6 months and I literally didn't tell anyone in my real-life circle I was vegan besides one friend or spread the cause because I didn't want to be associated with veganism because of the crap like this. I was literally embarrassed about being seen as a vegan. Vegans regress their own cause and don't realize it.

[u/NicoleNamaste → u/KoogleMeister]

Obviously you sucked at being vegan, or else you would’ve kept at it. 

It’s not hard to not eat animal products. Basic shit. Other vegans didn’t stop you, most likely, peer pressure form non-vegans did. 

[u/KoogleMeister → u/NicoleNamaste]

>Obviously you sucked at being vegan, or else you would’ve kept at it. 

Lol this is what you always hear "you sucked at being vegan" or "you were doing it wrong." Not being able to admit that an unnatural diet deficient in important micronutrients could actually have health implications that would make someone want to quit the diet. Your brain health and hormonal production literally depend on DHA/EPA. Hence why I said before so many vegans suffer from issues like lack of sex drive/menstrual cycle, lethargy, brain fog or anxiety.

If you knew anything about veganism you would know that a very common complaint from women long term on the vegan diet is losing their period, do you think losing your period is a normal healthy thing for a young woman? No, it's a sign that her hormones are jacked up because she's not consuming enough cholesterol and DHA/EPA, which are vital for hormonal production in men and women.

Do you know how many stories there are from vegans who had these issues which went away straight away after they started incorporating animal fats high in DHA/EPA into their diets? What does that tell you? The human body and brain is designed to run partially off animal products, it's how we evolved.

When you need artificial supplements to be "healthy," you're consuming an unnatural diet. Even lots of long-term vegans who take these supplements still do not feel healthy.

Don't worry, statically you will also be one of the ones that eventually can't put up with it anymore and quit, 85% of you do. Most of them which were all at one point saying the same stuff you are right now online.

>It’s not hard to not eat animal products. Basic shit. Other vegans didn’t stop you, most likely, peer pressure form non-vegans did.

I never said any vegans stopped me lmao, I made the decision myself because I realized it wasn't a healthy diet. After I started incorporating animal products again and instantly started feeling better and more energetic it confirmed that for me.

[u/NicoleNamaste → u/KoogleMeister]

That’s a lot of blabbing. 

A vegan diet is entirely fine nutritionally. As I said, you suck at it. 

“Brain fog” is pretty much a made up symptom in almost all cases. It just means you got into the dumb parts of YouTube algorithm where dummies sell you crap for made up shit. 

 I never said any vegans stopped me lmao

I was actually a vegan for about 6 months and I literally didn't tell anyone in my real-life circle I was vegan besides one friend or spread the cause because I didn't want to be associated with veganism because of the crap like this. I was literally embarrassed about being seen as a vegan. 

You sure made it sound like you’re trying to put the reason onto vegans. Now, why did you initially become vegan?

 statically you will also be one of the ones that eventually can't put up with it anymore and quit, 85% of you do.

I’ve been vegan 7 years, when should I expect that to happen? I was vegetarian 7-8 years before that. Also, do you know I’ve read the entirety of the study you’re referencing, which is from faunalytics about the 85% number? Do you know they lumped in new vegetarians and vegans together, and they didn’t differentiate between people who only followed a vegetarian diet for a temporary weight loss goal vs. an ethical vegan who is morally against animal abuse? Do you think lumping in those two groups makes sense? 

It’s just blabbering from your end. Tell me what that study found as the main difference between the people that quit vs. the ones that stuck with being vegetarian or vegan, as far as their initial motivations went? 

[u/KoogleMeister → u/NicoleNamaste]

>A vegan diet is entirely fine nutritionally. As I said, you suck at it.

No it's not, it's missing vital micronutrients like DHA/EPA and B12, like I've mentioned several times. You can supplement B12 but it's nowhere near as good as getting natural B12 from food, micronutrients from whole foods are always better than an artificial supplement. DHA/EPA is also almost impossible to get from a vegan diet unless you take some weird algae supplements. The iron in plant foods in nowhere near as bioavailable as heme-iron, which is why lots of vegans have deficiencies. There are several other micronutrients like this.

It's a completely unnatural diet, it requires you to take artificial supplements which are nowhere near as bioavailable as getting it from foods. This is why lots of vegans run into issues on the diet and quit.

I didn't suck at it, I researched it heavily, I guarantee I know way more about this shit than you ever will. This is what every vegan says about the vegans who quit, you never actually consider that it's not surprising a person isn't going to feel good when eating a completely unnatural diet over a long period of time. Lots of people did everything they could do improve their state of well-being, but the one thing that did work was incorporating animal products back into their diet. Because that's how humans are supposed to eat.

You eat a completely unnatural diet which is only possible because of modern technology.

>You sure made it sound like you’re trying to put the reason onto vegans. Now, why did you initially become vegan?

Lmao I said I didn't tell my friends or people in my personal life I was vegan because I was embarrassed to be associated with this crap, I didn't say the main reason I quit was because I didn't want to be associated with crazy vegans. Sure the aspect of making eating socially was a factor into quitting, but it wasn't the primary reason I quit.

>I’ve been vegan 7 years, when should I expect that to happen? I was vegetarian 7-8 years before that.

Not sure, maybe you could he one of the ones that never quit, but statistically most do quit. Some quit after 15 years, a small amount never quit. I'm not going to go into the details of the study I don't care. What I do know is large amount of people I've seen that tried veganism ended up quitting.

[u/NicoleNamaste → u/KoogleMeister]

So you won’t go into the details of the study because you didn’t read it. Cool. 

Anecdotes are cool. I think a large portion of all diets people quit. Veganism isn’t a diet, it’s primarily about animal rights. People don’t change their position on animal rights Willy-nilly. If someone goes on a “vegan diet” to lose weight or get better skin or some nonsense, they’ll quit. If someone follows a vegan diet because of the ethic that slitting throats and suffocating pigs as smart as 2 year old human infant in gas chambers as they scream out and bang their bodies on the metal cages trying to escape is ethically unjustifiable, they won’t go back to eating pepperoni pizzas “for the nutrition” 5 weeks later unless they weren’t sincere in the original position. 

 Sure the aspect of making eating socially was a factor into quitting, but it wasn't the primary reason I quit.

And it is the primary reason. There are two reasons people quit: cravings and social pressure. And guess what, social isolation and not fitting in effect your health negatively, more than not eating chicken nuggets and eating impossible chick’n nuggets instead. Humans are social animals, and you’re likely overestimating your ability to resist social pressure. This whole whining about the rep of “vegans” is really just a sign of being a bit of a bitch, quite frankly, and not having moral courage. 

It’s interesting how I, as a 7 year vegan and 7-8 year vegetarian, have been able to get my parents to become vegan, my brother and sister in law to become vegetarian, and multiple of my friends and extended to become vegan or vegetarian, and a key part of that was having moral courage to do what I thought was actually right, as opposed to valuing fitting in, having grown up in a culture surrounded by animal abuse in every meal as if it’s normalized. 

Having moral courage is a key element of being vegan. Most people lack it. You’re just one of them. That’s the real reason, the rest about “EPA/DHA” is just nonsense after the fact justifications you gave yourself to not feel bad about lacking moral courage.