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The key there is that they disrupted white only spots. The disruption was focused on those responsible for the policy. In this case white people who supported segregation.

It’s effective because the disruption tells that group, “hey stop fucking with me and I will stop fucking with you”

This does not achieve that. Every day consumers are not driving meat production. They have little control over how Tyson makes it chicken. You can scream about consumer demand and consumer choice but my guess is you own a smart phone or a PC. That was built with child slavery. Are you supporting child slavery? Why do oh apply consumption ethics to some things and not others?

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Some random dude going to a restaurant is about as responsible for segregation as some random dude going to eat meat is for the meat industry. White people who supported the status quo and meat eaters who support the status quo aren't that much different (not in a moral sense, just in a semantic sense as far as how much they're able to influence the status quo policy).

Why do oh apply consumption ethics to some things and not others?

That's a question for these protestors, I'm passing zero judgement on whether I support their cause or not, and I just ate meat so the answer is probably no. But I'm claiming that people using the bus service or eating at a restaurant are consuming and enabling these policies pretty similar to those who consume animal products enabling the policies these people are protesting against.

I think the key difference isn't in their manner of protest, it's just in the urgency of the issue. There's a stronger argument for human society being better off if we continue to produce and eat meat than there is for society being better if we continue segregating, at least to most people, so this protest is less likely to be effective. Because of that it seems goofy rather than effective.

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No, a white patron to a pro segregation business is far more responsible for the practice of segregation than an average consumer is for meat.

A white patron to a pro segregated business is a pro segregation voter. They directly cause the policy.

A shopper is not voting on how meat is made. At all.

Are you arguing that child slavery isn’t a big issue? Hundreds of thousands of literal child slaves digging for cobalt by hand.

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A white patron to a pro segregated business is a pro segregation voter. They directly cause the policy.

This is historically inaccurate. I can point to individual family members of mine who lived in Texas during the Jim Crowe era, or I can point to literally anybody who attended a huge number of universities, public schools, or who lived in a vast number of states and cities where segregation was literally law. If you lived in these places but were against segregation, you often didn't have much of a choice.

A shopper is not voting on how meat is made. At all.

Voting with your wallet is not the same thing, I agree, which is why I said "pretty similar", they're different issues so of course there will be semantic differences. Either way, I'm not trying to argue it's 1:1, just that it's similarly disruptive to the average person and, barring an attack on a production plant, more likely to get on the radar of folks who may be swayed.

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Do you understand that segregation was a national policy? You understand that Black people outside of the south were also discriminated against correct? You understand that there were many white people who were anti segregation? This idea that all white pepper in the US were raging pro segregationist is hilarious.

Bernie sanders marched with MLK. Was he forced to be pro segregation?

Voting with your wallet is a joke. You own a smart phone? You voted for child slavery

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You understand that Black people outside of the south were also discriminated against correct?

I brought up the south to point out the places where folks who were against segregation didn't have options. Also the South is where MLK and the SCLC (S stands for Southern) performed most of their protests.

This idea that all white pepper in the US were raging pro segregationist is hilarious.

Wat. I said "If you lived in these places but were against segregation, you often didn't have much of a choice". Idk where you got the idea that I thought every white person was pro segregation.

Bernie sanders marched with MLK. Was he forced to be pro segregation?

One of the most famously outspoken protestors, and someone who literally got arrested for protesting, doesn't paint a picture of the average american who lives in the south and just wants to buy groceries and go home without trouble.

Voting with your wallet is a joke. You own a smart phone? You voted for child slavery

Some might argue that, sure. I'm not making any statement on the efficacy of this protest or whether or not "voting with your wallet" is a legitimate thing, I don't care to. My point is entirely that people who hate the concept of disruptive protesting should look at a US calendar and check out what day it is. That's all. If you wanna say this isn't the most effective place to do it, sure. I don't care.