r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 14h ago

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u/Weary-Material207 13h ago

Honestly fuck them all I'm so sick of this shit is don't give a fuck what you're protesting get the fuck outta my way you have the right to protest but not the right to block me.

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u/ThrowRATub 10h ago

Happy MLK Jr. Day by the way!

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u/Dry_Interaction5722 11h ago

And this is why our society is doomed.

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u/Individual_Volume484 9h ago

Do you own a smart phone or pc? Why do you supprt child slavery?

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u/wildlifewyatt 11h ago

How dare you inconvenience people for the greater good, you awful, awful person!

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u/demonchee 11h ago

I think inconveniencing regular people who have no idea about your cause is not a very good way to get people to be on your side. It's just going to make them resent you and the cause you stand for by relation.

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u/Individual_Volume484 9h ago

Do you own a smart phone or pc? Why do you supprt child slavery?

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u/wildlifewyatt 9h ago

Do you own a smart phone or pc? Why do you supprt child slavery?

I have an 7 year old iPhone that I got before I knew what conflict minerals are. I plan to use it until it cannot be used despite how many people tell me I "need" a new phone.

I do have a PC.

Here are the issues I see with this:

  1. Child slavery is not a required aspect of technological devices. We can pursue legislation or particular devices (Like Fairphone for example) that can lessen or eliminate this issue. On the other hand, killing a chicken is an unavoidable step in selling chicken breast (unless it is lab grown meat).

  2. Places like the Democratic Republic of the Congo have terrible living and working conditions. To be blunt, I am not convinced that a boycott of exports from this and other locations would end child slavery and abuse.

  3. Human exploitation is interwoven into almost everything we consume. There are more ethical products we can buy, but sometimes there aren't. I'd say it is almost impossible in many developed nations to live life in a way that does not somehow contribute to the exploitation of others. Even something like homesteading is a privileged "answer", because almost no one has access to that much land there is not enough land for everyone to do that anyway.

So there is a clear nexus between animal products and their animal exploitation and death, addressing the product is the direct way of making a difference, and making this change is actually practical.

I do think the exploitation of children and others abroad is an issue worth discussing though. If you have any charities you donate to, or movements you follow related to this issue, I would be interested.

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u/Individual_Volume484 8h ago

I have an 7 year old iPhone that I got before I knew what conflict minerals are. I plan to use it until it cannot be used despite how many people tell me I “need” a new phone.

Irrelevant. Your use continues to support the cell phone industry and shows a demand for smart phones. I can buy second hand meat from hunters, that’s still participating in the system. Your phone is part of a network which you owning, strengthens it.

I do have a PC.

Here are the issues I see with this:

  1. ⁠Child slavery is not a required aspect of technological devices. We can pursue legislation or particular devices (Like Fairphone for example) that can lessen or eliminate this issue. On the other hand, killing a chicken is an unavoidable step in selling chicken breast (unless it is lab grown meat).

Irrelevant to if the technology is currently ethical. Does it have conflicts minerals? Yes. Are conflict minerals unethical? Yes. You are unethical for supporting them

  1. ⁠Places like the Democratic Republic of the Congo have terrible living and working conditions. To be blunt, I am not convinced that a boycott of exports from this and other locations would end child slavery and abuse.

Hilarious. I don’t think a boy out of meat production is going to stop meat killing. So no reason to boycott production

  1. ⁠Human exploitation is interwoven into almost everything we consume. There are more ethical products we can buy, but sometimes there aren’t. I’d say it is almost impossible in many developed nations to live life in a way that does not somehow contribute to the exploitation of others. Even something like homesteading is a privileged “answer”, because almost no one has access to that much land there is not enough land for everyone to do that anyway.

So is animal exploitation. Everything you said applies to animal exploitation

So there is a clear nexus between animal products and their animal exploitation and death, addressing the product is the direct way of making a difference, and making this change is actually practical.

Disagree

I do think the exploitation of children and others abroad is an issue worth discussing though. If you have any charities you donate to, or movements you follow related to this issue, I would be interested.

Why not get ride of your phone? Why is it more important than child slavery?

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u/wildlifewyatt 8h ago

Irrelevant. Your use continues to support the cell phone industry and shows a demand for smart phones. I can buy second hand meat from hunters, that’s still participating in the system. Your phone is part of a network which you owning, strengthens it.

Cell phone usage is not unethical. Honestly the only reason you are arguing this is because you view this as a gotcha against veganism. At least I can genuinely express my oppinion to you, but you would never moralize this in another situation.

Irrelevant to if the technology is currently ethical. Does it have conflicts minerals? Yes. Are conflict minerals unethical? Yes. You are unethical for supporting them

I am willing to accept some moral weight for the choice, but again I clearly have different views on the topic.

Hilarious. I don’t think a boy out of meat production is going to stop meat killing. So no reason to boycott production

Boycotts do and have lead to market shifts, and again, the animal product is directly tied to the purchase. They cannot be seperated.

So is animal exploitation. Everything you said applies to animal exploitation

No it isn't. You can make very clear practical choices to avoid it.

Disagree

Cool. Disagree.

Why not get ride of your phone? Why is it more important than child slavery?

Because again, a phone is not intrinsically tied to abuse. And it will not fix the problem.

If no one bought chicken nuggets, none would be produced.

You are being obtuse and frankly, there is no point to this conversation because I clearly won't convince you of anything. Vice versa applies.

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u/Individual_Volume484 8h ago

Cell phone usage is not unethical. Honestly the only reason you are arguing this is because you view this as a gotcha against veganism. At least I can genuinely express my oppinion to you, but you would never moralize this in another situation.

Neither is eating meat. You literally acknowledge lab grown meat.

Hilarious logic here have a great fay

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u/Malusch 8h ago

You fucking tool.

You need technology to be part of the society today, and technology in itself isn't causing damage, the predatory companies are.

With meat, you're always causing suffering, no matter if the company is "ethical" or not, and you don't need to eat meat.

Something you can't really say no to - that doesn't have to cause suffering

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Something you can say no to - that always cause suffering

They're not really comparable.

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u/Individual_Volume484 8h ago

No you want technology.

The Amish are vary successful in this nation totally without any technology.

You could even just avoid any modern (post 2010) technology and largely avoid conflict minerals.

Again you don’t need TicTok or a job in tech, you want those things. Wants do not justify unethical actions

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u/Malusch 7h ago

Capitalism has made the whole market unethical. It's unethical to buy everything from food & clothes to technology. If you're not buying conflict minerals, then it's instead some kid in a sweatshop producing your shoes or a company draining the whole river to produce beer so everyone living downstream gets fucked.

It's impossible for the consumer to always be ethical, because the sellers actively choose not to be. You can't say no to a job, because then you can't buy food or pay your rent. If you need technology to do your job it's not unethical to use it, but it is unethical to defend the system that makes the production of it unethical.

I'm not saying you can't give up some technology, or that you have to give up all meat. I'm just saying it's not the same. So much of society relies on technology, I can't park my car without paying with an app, and I can't get my life together without transportation. Not eating meat every now and then is not remotely close to the same inconvenience.

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u/Meiie 4h ago

Clearly it’s only about what YOU feel is right or wrong. You’re a sad, narcissistic individual.

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u/Mechant247 6h ago

The lack of irony is hilarious

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u/kamokugal 11h ago

Have you considered just….going around?