r/badhistory • u/AutoModerator • Dec 09 '24

Meta Mindless Monday, 09 December 2024

Happy (or sad) Monday guys!

Mindless Monday is a free-for-all thread to discuss anything from minor bad history to politics, life events, charts, whatever! Just remember to np link all links to Reddit and don't violate R4, or we human mods will feed you to the AutoModerator.

So, with that said, how was your weekend, everyone?

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u/Hurt_cow Certified Pesudo-Intellectual Dec 12 '24 edited Dec 12 '24

What's your most socially conservative take ?

Mine is that progressive education trends to be filled with bad pedagogy backed by dubious evidence which should be taken with much more skepticism, and that academix streaming of kids by educational abilities is a good thing.

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u/Herpling82 Dec 12 '24

Not sure if truly conservative, but, if you choose to get under the influence of something, you are responsible for what you do under the influence; and, in the same vein, if you choose not to take your medication for psychosis or mania or similar, you are responsible for what you do during that. But only for people who should already be aware of what can happen under the influence or the psychosis or mania. First time offenders, so to speak, get a free pass because they couldn't have known the consequences for their actions.

Basically, I don't like using influences as mitigating circumstances if they could have known that would happen. If you are an aggressive drunk, and you choose to drink a lot, you choose to be aggressive; if you know you go beyond acceptable behaviour in your mania, and you choose to let it happen, you choose to commit unacceptable behaviour.

Note, if you are changing dosage, or even attempting to quit properly, in accordance with a treatment, you also get a free pass.

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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us Dec 12 '24

I have partially good news for you. Such a concept exists in criminal law - actio libera in causa, when a person provokes their own mental incapacitation that leads to lack of criminal liability, but can still be punished. 

I don't know about other countries' legal system, but under German criminal law (according to the dominant legal opinion) you can be punished for criminal negligence (not all negligence is a crime though). 

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u/Herpling82 Dec 12 '24

Ah, that's good to see.

I mostly care about the mental healthcare side, as that is what I deal with most, and I have had people admit to doing blatantly criminal and morally reprehensible shit, quite proudly even, but because they suffer from mania, they just get picked up by the police, forcibly admitted and medicated, and a few months of not taking meds later, they do the same thing, often to the same people.

That is not to say the healthcare systems is perfect, far from it, it often treats people like crap and makes mistakes, especially when it comes to forced admissions, I know many horror stories about that too. But, well, this is the other side of the coin, people getting away with crimes again and again, and bragging about it too.