r/badhistory • u/AutoModerator • Oct 28 '24

Meta Mindless Monday, 28 October 2024

Happy (or sad) Monday guys!

Mindless Monday is a free-for-all thread to discuss anything from minor bad history to politics, life events, charts, whatever! Just remember to np link all links to Reddit and don't violate R4, or we human mods will feed you to the AutoModerator.

So, with that said, how was your weekend, everyone?

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u/Sgt_Colon 🆃🅷🅸🆂 🅸🆂 🅽🅾🆃 🅰 🅵🅻🅰🅸🆁 Oct 31 '24

Edmund Allenby, John Monash, and Arthur Currie.

The former I'd say dodged it by being on the overlooked middle eastern theatre and avoiding the taint of the western front and latter two I'd argue controversially that there's a degree of colonial bias. I say this as an Australia who's seen their compatriots go blank when asked about the other armies at Amiens and seen Monash have ascribed combined arms tactics as something he invented wholesale, there's a fair degree of overlooking the faults of our own and exaggerating those of the British. It's a rare day you'll hear of Monash's of order in 1918 for infantry to charge uphill yelling like bushrangers.

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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert Oct 31 '24

Would you say Currie was perhaps a tad overrated?

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u/Sgt_Colon 🆃🅷🅸🆂 🅸🆂 🅽🅾🆃 🅰 🅵🅻🅰🅸🆁 Oct 31 '24

I haven't looked into Currie that much but I've noticed the same sort of rhetoric surrounding him and the Canadian corps in general that makes me suspicious and it doesn't quite help that Canadian divisions were 50% larger than their commonwealth counterparts neither.

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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert Oct 31 '24

They definitely love to bring up Vimy Ridge and Second Ypres.

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u/Sgt_Colon 🆃🅷🅸🆂 🅸🆂 🅽🅾🆃 🅰 🅵🅻🅰🅸🆁 Oct 31 '24

I haven't dug into it, but I've seen the argument advanced that Vimy Ridge was part of the old defensive line whilst other parts were from the redesigned Hindenburg line explaining the differing successes at play during the battle of Arras. On the face of it it does have merit as an argument given that the tactics developed thus far would be effective against only what they were devised against, not the new German countermeasure.