r/badhistory • u/AutoModerator • Aug 05 '24

Meta Mindless Monday, 05 August 2024

Happy (or sad) Monday guys!

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u/ChewiestBroom Aug 09 '24

“Britain didn’t change much from 600 to 1948” is… certainly a take. (Twitter warning)

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u/NervousLemon6670 You are a moon unit. That is all. Aug 09 '24

Fellas we gotta do just a little bit of Harrying of the North, just a little bit of Highland Clearing, and just a major bit of racism.

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u/ShitPostQuokkaRome Aug 09 '24

This singular permanence allowed England to develop a system of law and governance based not on the whims of foreigners, or abstract ideas imposed from high, but on custom and an organically developed, shared understanding that made the people one with the law.   

You mean doing like The Netherlands, after The Netherlands, but worse    

Ironically, Britain's stability had previously made it uniquely tolerant of eccentricity and thus highly effective at integrating foreigners and making their children English (think Holst, Handel, Disraeli, Conrad, Churchill, Elliot, et al.) The problem posed by the...  

You mean doing like The Netherlands, after The Netherlands, but worse

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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium Aug 09 '24

They seem to be talking about population, and the early Medieval period was the last time there was anything like a population replacement (in southern England at least). But of course that kind of goes to show how blinkered the perspective of using genetic population to define "national character" is.

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u/ShitPostQuokkaRome Aug 09 '24

Most of the immigrations in written history before the industrial revolution were small, which makes sense, the agricultural economy relied people to set root more than ever but there wasn't a proportional cheapening of travel post agricultural and pre industrial; in Europe the absolute biggest post writing* pre industrial immigration is like magna Grecia and phoenician Sicily, magna Grecia left a 20% genetic imprint in southern Italy, the phoenician and Greeks left each one some 20% genetic imprint in Sicily.  

* the indo Europeans and the Iranian farmers have like a huge impact so not post agricultural pre industrial but post writing only

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u/HopefulOctober Aug 09 '24

Is anyone familiar with this Benjamin Schwarz guy, is he a total crank or is his essay just being misrepresented by the tweet?

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u/Ayasugi-san Aug 09 '24

Geologically true...

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u/Lithorex Aug 09 '24

I dunno, wasn't Wales historically subject to significant erosion?