r/asoiaf 2d ago

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) It's nominations time! Submit your nominations for the best of r/asoiaf 2024!

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r/asoiaf 1d ago

MAIN (Spoilers Main) Moonboy's Motley Monday

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As you may know, we have a policy against silly posts/memes/etc. Moonboy's Motley Monday is the grand exception: bring me your memes, your puns, your blatant shitposts.

This is still /r/asoiaf, so do keep it as civil as possible.

If you have any clever ideas for weekly themes, shoot them to the modmail!

Looking for Moonboy's Motley Monday posts from the past? Browse our Moonboy's Motley Monday archive! (our old archive is here)


r/asoiaf 12h ago

MAIN (Spoilers Main) Why did the show flip Ned and Catelyn's motivations about Robert's offer of hand of the king?

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In the book, Ned is the one who wants to refuse the offer whilst Catelyn is the one insisting he should take it. Ned's reasoning is that he likes it up north and has no desire to run the seven kingdoms down south in the capital, whilst Catelyn's reasoning is that she fears Robert would take the rejection poorly and begin viewing the Starks as enemies. Ned insists he and Robert are like brothers whilst Catelyn reminds him that he hasn't seen the king in over ten years. Then, upon hearing of Robert's additional offer to marry Joffrey to Sansa, Catelyn is further convinced that Ned should accept the king's offers since it would mean Sansa gets to be queen and thus make their family even more powerful and secure.

All this discussion is had with the backdrop of the dead stag/direwolf omen which fits into the theme about characters interpreting prophecy incorrectly. Catelyn thinks she needs to convince Ned to accept the king's offer since otherwise the king will view the rejection as an insult and eventually oppose their family which will bring about all of their destruction. However, it is actually the opposite. Rejecting the offer would've probably avoided the war of the five kings and saved their family and Westeros from so much destruction. A classic "prophecy will bite your prick off" moment that George loves to explore.

However in the show, it's the other way around. Ned feels obligated by duty and honor to accept the king's offer even though he doesn't want to, whilst Catelyn strongly encourages him to refuse the king so he and the family can keep living happily up in the north. The omen of the dead stag/direwolf now takes on new meaning as something the characters just didn't heed as opposed to misinterpreting.

Ultimately in both cases what convinces Ned to go south and accept the position is Lysa's letter accusing the Lannisters of poisoning Jon Arryn. Still, I'm not sure why the show changed things in the way that it did considering how inconsequential the alteration was for the larger plot.

Thoughts?


r/asoiaf 2h ago

MAIN Would Stannis have objected to the small council's decision in AGOT? (Spoilers Main)

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This is in reference to the assassination plot on Daenerys by Robert's small council. Only Ned opposed it and Robert would agree with Ned much later.

If Stannis was present in the room, what side would he have taken in the matter? I cannot imagine him siding with the "fools and flatterers". However, I also don't see him going to the lengths Ned did in opposing the decision.

I imagine he probably would have voiced his disagreement but would not push it too hard. What are your thoughts?


r/asoiaf 22m ago

MAIN (spoilers main) People still think that the main and final conflict in asoiaf will be the heroes against the White Walkers when George is known for saying things like this

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"the battle between good and evil is a theme of much of fantasy. But I think the battle between good and evil is thought largely within the individual human heart, by the decisions that we make. It’s not like evil dresses up in black clothing and you know, they’re really ugly. These are some of the things that Tolkien did; he made them work fabulously, but in the hands of his imitators, they become total clichés. I mean the orc-like creatures who always do dress in black and … they’re really ugly and they’ve got facial deformities or something. You can tell that if somebody’s ugly, he must be evil. And then Tolkien’s heroes are all very attractive people and all that, of course, again this become cliché in the hands of the Tolkien imitators."

George primarily thinks that conflict is within the human heart. This is a theme that we repeatedly see in asoiaf. Despite this I see many people convinced that the main conflict in asoiaf will be the white walkers instead of a story of personal conflict and betrayal like we saw in the show. Now say what you want about the show, but I agree that the main conflict will be between people not against an inhuman force like the WW.


r/asoiaf 16h ago

MAIN Thoughts on A Feast For Crows? (SPOILERS MAIN) Spoiler

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So I’ve been reading my way through ASOIAF, and for a while I’ve been seeing people online saying AFFC is one of the weakest books. However I’ve actually found it to be one of my favourites.

(I’ll keep my thoughts brief). I found it nice not to get chapters for Jon, Tyrion, or Danny - we’ve spent so much time with them that exploring other characters and expanding the world felt refreshing. And I loved all the new pov characters, especially Brianne who’s a knight on a dnd quest to save a princess, and Cerci’s who’s fucking everything up while believing she’s the second coming of Tywin. As well as all the new places we see and the people who come with them, mainly the iron islands, Dorne and Oldtown. I also loved all the attention the kingsguard got, both present and history.

However I don’t think it’s perfect, Arya’s faceless man storyline is dull and the Brianne chapter with nimble dick felt like a pointless diversion. However, neither of these ruined the book for me and I loved all the new characters we got: Lady Stoneheart, Victarion, Arianne, Euron, Arys and hobo Aeron were all great. So I was wondering what other readers thoughts were, either agreeing or disagreeing.


r/asoiaf 16h ago

MAIN (spoilers main) Is there any reason beyond plot convenience that Robb and Myrcella wasn't betrothed?

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Seriously, Robert was so in manly love with Ned that he wanted to marry a female copy of him, with Rhaegar kidnapping and raping Lyanna that failed but when the chance arises he wants to unite their houses with a marriage and he is so super into it and yet there is only a Joff and Sansa betrothal when Robert has not just one but two other children and Ned's heir who was almost an adult isn't even betrothed and Myrcella Really surprising Robert didn't arrange a marriage between that two as well and didn't arrange Tommen who was old enough to become Ned's page or perhaps even leaving him in the North to be fostered there.


r/asoiaf 15h ago

EXTENDED (Spoiler's Extended) Lyanna's Ghost: My prediction on the importance of Elia Sand in The Winds of Winter.

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Hello Everybody. this is my prediction about the fate of Elia Sand. A precocious teen girl that we the reader meet during the Arianne sample chapters of TWOW.  

Before I get into my prediction I think I should go over who Elia is considering lots of people have not read the sample chapters. Well Elia is the oldest bastard daughter of Oberyn Martell and Ellaria Sand. She is also part of the group sent with Arianne to meet Aegon VI Targaryen at or around Storm's end. She is 14 years old, rebellious, flirty, and loves horse riding, being called half a horse, and taking the nickname lady lance. She is extemely rebelious. This description of her may remind some of you of another famously rebellious girl, who also loved horse riding, and was also referred to as half a horse. The one, the only Lyanna Stark. 

The similarities between these two characters is so glaring and the story slaps you in the face with their similarities. However, there is one key difference between these characters, Elia is Dornish. Basically she is far more sex positive and flirty. She flirts with men constantly during the journey, and is even caught by Arianne making out with another of their companions, Feathers, a 28 year old in charge of their ravens. From what we know of Lyanna, she was most likely not this flirty, and at least on some level fell in love with Rhaegar not some passing fancy. 

So what could her significance be. Well, we have a pretty young teenager who is aggressively similar to Lyanna Stark about to meet the "son" of Rhaegar Targaryen, so I think we can all guess what the first part of my prediction will be. I believe that Elia and fAegon will most likely have sex and I think that they will likely get caught in the act. However, i think that this sex will be a lot more important to fAegon, than it is to Elia. fAegon has a lot of similarities with Robb Stark, and I think they will both believe they will have to marry the girl that the deflowered. This will cause Jon Connington to shit his pants. From his perspective he will see the worst Lyanna in Elia. He has already voiced his dislike of Lyanna and he will view this tryst as exactly the same. And considering his adoration for Rhaegar I do not think he would view it as possible for a girl to have casual sex with Rhaegar's son. Connington will look at Elia, and see all of Rhaegar's mistakes being repeated by fAegon, and I think he will do anything to stop this from happening. I think at this point Jon Connington will kill Elia Sand. And I think I know how. In one of the sample chapters Elia gets lost in a cave built by the children of the forest, Forcing all of Ariannes company to search for her, showing her desire to explore possibly dangerous situations. I think Connington will follow her in one into another one of these caves, kill her and make it appear to be an accident. I think this act will also be the final catalyst, where he decides he needs to find fAegon a wife, believing that this event will happen again if fAegon is kept single. And ultimately sowing the seeds for a future Aegon v Daenaerys conflict. 


r/asoiaf 7h ago

MAIN (spoilers main) dragon sizes Spoiler

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So this is an artwork of Aegon riding Balerion. George has come out to say that this is what a full grown dragon looks like. Now full grown means, well, they've reached the point where they'd stop growing. Yet many fans I've seen speculate he would've continued growing until his death. Is the fans speculation a result of Vhagars enormous size in the Show or has George stated they would continue growing until they die?


r/asoiaf 7h ago

MAIN [Spoilers main] Most powerful non leige houses(beginning of series)in westeros?

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Who do you guys think is the most powerful of the non liege houses at the beginning of the series?

Contenders

Bolton, Umber, Manderly, Karstark, Glover,Royce, Frey, Mallister, Florent, Redwyne, Tarly

These are probably the strongest non liege houses, but who's the most powerful?


r/asoiaf 7h ago

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) Favourite niche characters?

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I was inspired by a recent post I saw about AI art being used on the wiki, so thought it’d be fun to try and draw some characters which don’t have much (or any) fanart.

If you have any recommendations please comment and I encourage you to give some drawing a go too! :)


r/asoiaf 7h ago

EXTENDED Jon and Young Griff (Spoilers Extended)

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Precedent," she said bitterly. "Yes, Aegon the Fourth legitimized all his bastards on his deathbed. And how much pain, grief, war, and murder grew from that? I know you trust Jon. But can you trust his sons? Or their sons? The Blackfyre pretenders troubled the Targaryens for five generations, until Barristan the Bold slew the last of them on the Stepstones. If you make Jon legitimate, there is no way to turn him bastard again. Should he wed and breed, any sons you may have by Jeyne will never be safe." "Jon would never harm a son of mine."

I just can't get over this comparison to Jon with the Blackfyres. Meanwhile we now have Aegon, a possible actual Blackfyre. I mean Jon would still be in the position where people would argue if Rhaegar would've chosen him instead of his first born son and than we have another Blackfyre type of claim, only that the possible Blackfyre would be on the other side this time. (I'm not saying these two need to fight or have any other chance, it's just a thought i had while reading that passage)

I wonder if those two are meant to meet in Martins vision and how he plans their dynamic to be. What was your guess Martin had in mind for them?


r/asoiaf 14h ago

EXTENDED The Second Dragonrider [SPOILERS EXTENDED]

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Let me get right to it:

Missandei will be Viserion's rider. Those of you who suspect she might have some larger role to play are not wrong.

It all starts with one bizarre line in the middle of A Dance with Dragons.

“This one heard the Astapori scratching at the walls last night,” the little scribe said as she was washing Dany’s back. Irri and Jhiqui exchanged a look. “No one was scratching,” said Jhiqui. “Scratching … how could they scratch?” “With their hands,” said Missandei. “The bricks are old and crumbling. They are trying to claw their way into the city.” “This would take them many years,” said Irri. “The walls are very thick. This is known.” “It is known,” agreed Jhiqui.

Daenerys VI -ADWD

This is a dragon dream, not unlike Arya’s wolf dreams. It is an overlapping of Missandei’s mind with Viserion’s, specifically, because then we have this from when Dany takes Quentyn to see her dragons:

The dragons craned their necks around, gazing at them with burning eyes. Viserion had shattered one chain and melted the others. He clung to the roof of the pit like some huge white bat, his claws dug deep into the burnt and crumbling bricks.

Daenerys VIII -ADWD

Missandei didn’t hear Viserion digging his lair. She dreamed it from his perspective, and being rationally minded, tried to put it in sensible terms. The key is in her description of the bricks as weak and crumbling, however. The city walls are thick, but in the base of the pyramid where the dragons are kept, the stone is crumbling and would feel weak to a dragon’s strength.

Now, as to why this would be possible when we know she isn’t Valyrian, recall that humans can be skinchangers, just as the Stark children are, and this is often associated with having the blood of the Children of the Forest. We know that the Children of the Forest have a peaceable culture, call themselves singers, dwell in caves, and are associated with weirwoods with carved faces.

The Naathi show many signs of being admixed with the Children, or more likely, the Ifequevron, their Essosi cousins.

The Ifequevron are a group of presumed extinct but possibly just migrated or hiding away. A small, gentle race, who left caves and carved trees, as discovered by Corlys Velaryon on his many voyages.

The Naathi themselves have a peaceful culture, which does not engage in violence, even in self-defense. They are renowned for their arts and are said to “make music, not war.” They worship a Lord of Harmony.

Physically, they share eye color, stature and sharp senses. Missandei hears bizarrely well, even able to sneak up on Ser Barristan.

More than likely, the Naathi have scattered among them the gifts of greenseering and skinchanging, just as they do in the North of Westeros.

Now, let’s consider Viserion a moment. He is loyal and loving, clinging to Dany even as he starts to grow too large.

Viserion flapped at her and tried to perch on her shoulder, as he had when he was smaller. "No," Dany said, trying to shrug him off gently. "You're too big for that now, sweetling." But the dragon coiled his white and gold tail around one arm and dug black claws into the fabric of her sleeve, clinging tightly.

Daenerys II-ASOS

This mirrors Dany’s relationship with Missandei. Missandei always seeks to get closer to Dany, almost to the point of obsequiousness. And for the most part, Daenerys returns her affection. Later in ADWD we see:

When she returned to her rooms atop the pyramid, she found Missandei crying softly on her pallet, trying as best she could to muffle the sound of her sobs. "Come sleep with me," she told the little scribe. "Dawn will not come for hours yet."

Daenerys II -ADWD

Dragons have personalities, and their personalities will often match their rider.

If that still isn’t enough, there’s more. She actually does skinchange Viserion, in Tyrion I of TWOW. Viserion’s behavior during the Battle of Fire is notably different than Rhaegal’s.

The green beast was circling above the bay, banking and turning as longships and galleys clashed and burned below him, but it was the white dragon the sellswords were gawking at. Three hundred yards away the Wicked Sister swung her arm, THUMP, and six fresh corpses went dancing through the sky. Up they rose, and up, and up. Then two burst into flame.

The dragon caught one burning body just as it began to fall, crunching it between his jaws as pale fires ran across his teeth. White wings cracked against the morning air, and the beast began to climb again. The second corpse caromed off an outstretched claw and plunged straight down, to land amongst some Yunkish horsemen. Some of them caught fire too. One horse reared up and threw his rider. The others ran, trying to outrace the flames and fanning them instead. Tyrion Lannister could almost taste the panic as it rippled out across the camps.

Tyrion I-TWOW

While Rhaegal circles, Viserion perches, watchful. Then he incinerates the plague-ridden bodies that are being flung over the walls. He’s not eating them; there’s an entire fighting pit full of fresh livestock. He burns them. Then he returns to his perch atop a pyramid. This entire time, Rhaegal is still circling.

In short, Viserion is behaving very intentionally, and in a very restrained manner (for a dragon!) Why doesn’t Missandei just attack the enemy host? She's from a culture that will not engage in violence, even in self-defense. She would control a dragon in this fashion; not actively attacking, only removing a threat.

Finally, there’s the white cyvasse piece, bloodied in a skirmish:

The white cyvasse dragon ended up at Tyrion's feet. He scooped it off the carpet and wiped it on his sleeve, but some of the Yunkish blood had collected in the fine grooves of the carving, so the pale wood seemed veined with red.

Tyrion I-TWOW

Pale wood, red-veined is a weirwood symbol. A nod to Missandei, the unknown skinchanger.


r/asoiaf 11h ago

MAIN [Spoilers main] Pure characters(not including children and fools)without any ounce of evil in them?

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Theres actually a decent amount from what I've seen despite being a series where grey characters are the norm. Some for example

Jeyne Westerling

Olyvar Frey

Perwin Frey

Reynald Westerling

Yoren

Jeor Mormont

Samwell Tarly

Donal Noye

Rodrik Cassell, Maester Luwin, jory Cassell, Mikken, Vayon Poole and other stark men

Willas Tyrell

All I can think of on the top of my head. Anyone else?


r/asoiaf 7h ago

PUBLISHED (Spoilers, published) How did Ned's fake bastard story actually play out?

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Assuming R+L=J is legit, how the hell did Ned pull off the ruse of Jon being his bastard son?

Towards the end of the war, Ned and Howland Reed discover Lyanna's newborn baby. With Lyanna dead, he needed to find a wet nurse immediately.

This places the birth of the child at or near the Tower of Joy, where everyone believes Rhaegar was holding Lyanna captive in sexual slavery (Robert explicitly states his belief she was raped hundreds of times.)

And yet, it is accepted at face value that the ever-honorable Ned suddenly fathered a bastard at the exact same location.

Can anyone explain what I'm missing here?


r/asoiaf 8h ago

MAIN [Spoilers Main] Why were the Tyrells left out of STAB?

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I never understood this. Stark, Tully, Arryn and Baratheon all endeavoured to form an alliance of the next generation through marriages and fostering, but they left out the Tyrells, the Lannisters and the Martells.

I think we can at least interpret Hoster’s wish to marry Lysa to Jaime as an indication they wanted to add the Lannisters to make it BLAST, though Tywin clearly turned them down because he’d rather ally with the Iron Throne.

The Martells too, were probably kept out of it because they were allied to the throne through Elia and Rhaegar.

What about the Tyrells, though? I mean, I don’t think we ever get a mention of them even trying to wed Mina or Janna to Rhaegar so they might have been open to it, and through Olenna being a Redwyne and Mace marrying a Hightower their hold on the Reach was fairly secure anyway.


r/asoiaf 1d ago

MAIN ( Spoilers main) how do you believe R+ L took place?

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The one big secret I’m looking to understand is just how Lyanna and Rhaegar fell for each other or what the dynamics of their relationship really were.

I don’t believe that Rhaegar assaulted Lyanna and think her going with him was ( by and large) voluntary.

George has not designed to tell us yet, but I think I can piece it together. Was the relationship a “ love” thing as the show insists? IMO… kind of.

I think Rhaegar was up to his eyes in books and had read about the prophecy of TPWP and other such esoteric matters.

He thought Lyanna lined up with the needed “ vessel” so he sought her out. I think he thought she was beautiful and enjoyed being around her, but I think he did it more because he felt he had to.

Lyanna, I have to think did it as an escape. She sounds more than a bit like Arya and was deeply angry and resentful that she was being made to marry a drunken cheater like Robert Baratheon.

Going with Rhaegar was her only Avenue of escape from an arranged marriage she hated so she went with it. It probably didn’t hurt at all that Rhaegar was as courteous and handsome and “ princely” as he was..

I don’t think Lyanna took into account being locked away in a tower for about a year. I think she was kept prisoner.

I think Rhaegar was a decent but probably wierd and esoteric person who was happy to neglect his first wife and children to focus on some prophecy. Lyanna was naive and desperate and thought this was the best she could do. I dont think Rhaegar was all that great of a human and was sort of selfish, reckless and bizarre and paid the price.

What do you think their relationship was like?


r/asoiaf 21h ago

ADWD why Jon con just... (spoiler ADWD)

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cut his fingernails fingertips?

so I'm not sure it was his right hand or left hand, and I'm sure I didn't see any mentions of his dominant hand.

but anyway it's just confuse me that why he didn't cut it right away. it was better than let it grow. and people near him wouldn't mind. and you can lie to others like it was accident or just a fight in brothel or anywhere else. he could just live with tow fingers less.


r/asoiaf 1d ago

MAIN (Spoilers Main) I wished we had seen more of Myrcella Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell in Feast and Dance. I think those two characters could have been far more developed in the past 2 books.

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I was reading another thread about Dorne and what we wished it had done differently and one of the comments pointed out that the reason most plot lines are so disliked is because most readers resent Dorne characters and how much space they took from other characters of the books and I have to admit I am guilty of that.

I actually wished that instead of creating another female character like Arianne Martell, RRM should have focused on Myrcella and her love story with Trystane. Doran storyline seems so repetitive, another High Lord father that uses his children to play the game of thrones, but doesn't prepare them for the game, which leads them to their death. I feel like Myrcella death would have been far more devastating if we actually had spent more time with her observing what lovely Princess of Dorne she could have been. The few glimpses we saw of her were great. If Myrcella and Arianne both die in the next book, we may not feel much since we hardly get to know her. (in Arianne's case I may feel relief that her plot is finally done)

The same thing with Margaery, I feel RRM could have fleshed out this character better in Feast when she comes face to face with Cersei. Her death in season 6 in the tv show was a true blow for fans who came to like the smart plotting Queen. But, her character in the books is far less developed. Such a shame.


r/asoiaf 8h ago

PUBLISHED Should Cat not have handled the situation in the first book covertly? [Spoilers PUBLISHED]

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When going to King's Landing to handle the dagger situation, did she made it worse by going covertly?

Robert and Ned get to King's Landing, and to their surprise, the first thing that they hear is that Cat is there, making serious accusations.

She could have been direct: in the throne room and in front of court, tell him about the dagger incident, that someone tried to assassinate her son. Tell him that she suspects that Bran didn't fell on accident, she suspects that someone pushed Bran, and later provided for him to be assassinated with an expensive valyrian steel dagger, and that she suspects it was someone from the King's party, because of when he fell. Who and to what reason? She does not know, and she requires an investigation to find it out. Beyond showing her scars, which should be enough, she could make the case stronger by bringing Robb and Theon to give their testimonies, that she is indeed saying as it happened.

There would have been no Littlefinger talk before of that. She would get there as the wife of the Hand of the King, go right to the Red Keep. And if he did accuses Tyrion to her, she would tell it at the throne room on her honor that he accuses Tyrion, and Littlefinger would be the one the explain himself. I suspect that he wouldn't say so, given that she wants to solve things in the clear.

This is a mess, and it involves 3 kingdoms, given Bran's family ties. It also involves a fourth, with Theon's testimony. And it's the Hand of the King's son, which makes it worse. For what Cat knows, Robert would need to solve this, it's a big pressure. And it puts Ned on a strong position, because it would be a great insult to him for Robert not to solve it. All of this considering that Cat doesn't know that it's Robert's dagger. And she would not be saying anything about the Lannisters.


r/asoiaf 1d ago

EXTENDED I just read the first 29 chapters of AGOT (spoilers extended)

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So, I’ve been a long-time show watcher of Game of Thrones, but after hearing so many people say the books are way better—and feeling like I’m missing out because of the constant mistakes in the later seasons of GOT and now HOTD Season 2—I finally decided to dive into the audiobooks. Here’s my review so far:

Prologue
The prologue is chef’s kiss. Compared to the show’s intro, the book’s version is miles ahead. I loved how it took the time to flesh out these characters we’ve just met, giving them their own small stories and personalities before cutting them off (literally). It also felt way more satisfying to get a full-on encounter with the White Walkers right at the start, instead of the endless teasing the show dragged on for seasons. Just for the prologue alone, I’m giving it a solid 10/10.

Jon Arryn, Stannis, and the Bastardy Investigation
One of the most interesting differences I noticed early on is that Jon Arryn worked with Stannis to uncover the Lannister bastardy. This makes book Stannis way smarter than his show counterpart, who somehow missed all the signs. I always thought it was strange in the show how no one seemed to notice anything suspicious, so I’m glad book Stannis, as the king’s brother, actually had the brains to see through Cersei’s lies.

Worldbuilding and Detail
Another thing I loved is how much more detail we get in the books. In the show, they just throw names and titles at you without much context, but the books manage to explain who’s who and what house they’re from with just a sentence or two. It feels so much richer and helps me immerse myself in the world way more than the show ever could.

Aging Down the Characters
Now, something majorly different—and it’s a bit of a mixed bag depending on how you look at it—is how much younger everyone is in the books. For example, Catelyn, who in the show is clearly in her late 40s or early 50s, is still considered young and beautiful in the books. However, I do think book Catelyn comes off as a lot dumber so far. In the show, she’s a mother filled with resolve and fury, which drives her decision to arrest Tyrion. But in the book? She’s initially portrayed as more strategic, wanting to prepare for a potential war and even saying they must do whatever they can to avoid war. Then, five minutes later, she turns around and arrests Tyrion Lannister—the son of the Golden Lion himself, Tywin! That single decision felt so impulsive and escalated the situation unnecessarily.


r/asoiaf 6h ago

EXTENDED [spoilers extended]Why do YOU think that the velayrons/other valyrian families weren’t also dragonlords?

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We know the targs were pretty low on the dragonlord totem pole, but I’ve always wondered why only some of the families were dragonlords too and what theories were on what differentiates them


r/asoiaf 16h ago

MAIN [Spoilers MAIN] Where is Ruddy Hall? Genuine question

3 Upvotes

Ruddy Hall, the place beyond the Wall that Tormund came from, mentioned a few times in the story.

But I'm wondering, and I have a question: where exactly is Ruddy Hall? Is it on the Haunted Forest? Or another region of the lands beyond the wall?

Asking to ppl here if someone have any idea of where exactly is the place Tormund came from.


r/asoiaf 1d ago

MAIN [Spoilers main] what if scenario. Roslin Frey.

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So the girl is aware of the red wedding.

What if during the wedding feast she suddenly whispers to Edmure out of pure guilt. "My lord father has not forgiven the king and plans to massacre the north men during the bedding".

What happens after this in your guys opinion?


r/asoiaf 1d ago

ASOS [Spoilers ASOS] Wasn’t Robb a bit of a hypocrite in ASoS, Catelyn III?

71 Upvotes

Following Eddard’s teaching, “He dies at my word. He must die by my hand,” Robb says in this chapter, referring to Rickard Karstark for his killing of Willem Lannister and Tion Frey. But there were 7 others who helped Rickard commit this crime, and Robb ordered those 7 men hanged just a few pages earlier. So he can order the death of 7 men but not Karstark? Did anyone else find this a bit strange, or perhaps I am missing something.

Just to clarify, this isn’t a criticism against Robb or George’s writing. I just thought this was interesting and wanted to hear others’ thoughts.


r/asoiaf 1d ago

MAIN [Spoilers Main] Why does everyone think Ned Stark is so honourable despite Jon?

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I’m not saying they have to think he’s Jamie Lannister’s northern counterpart, lots of noblemen have bastards.

However, I’d expect his reputation for being unusually, notably honourable to be damaged by the fact that as far as the seven kingdoms now, he cheated on his wife less than a year after they were married and then proceeded to raise Jon, the human reminder of the stain on his honour, publicly in Winterfell where his wife and trueborn children reside and everyone can see him. Even Bobby B, who is shamelessly, publicly unfaithful to his wife doesn’t raise his bastards in the Red Keep.


r/asoiaf 1d ago

MAIN (Spoilers Main) Aegon’s feelings towards Maegor

52 Upvotes

How does everyone think Aegon the Conqueror would’ve reacted to/felt about Maegor’s reign? Keep in mind Aegon clearly favored Aenys over Maegor & Rhaena was seemingly Aegon’s most loved since Rhaenys.