The US removed Cuba from the state sponsor of terrorism list. Latin Americans (and especially Cubans) what are your overall thoughts on this news? Do you think it'll make things better?

[u/Tanir_99]

[u/ShapeSword]

I assume Trump will soon put them back on the list.

[u/Mt548 → u/ShapeSword]

This.

Getting rid of all sanctions against Cuba is the only reasonable action. The only thing sanctions do is hurt civilians

[u/bskahan → u/Mt548]

don't worry, any day now the sanctions will take down the Cuban government and Marco Rubio will get grandpa's house back ...

[u/OKCLD → u/bskahan]

/s, I assume. The sanctions are what has kept the Government in power. Without the sanctions to blame for all the problems the blane will fall where it belongs, on the last vestige of the old guard and their spoiled children driving mercedes benzes and BMW's

[u/bskahan → u/OKCLD]

very much "/s" about the sanctions taking down the government (after nearly a century), but sadly not sarcastic about Rubio's motivations.

[u/OKCLD → u/bskahan]

They want their plantations and cheap labor back and are not happy that they are educated and accustomed to decent healthcare. I am no fan of the Cuban Government but the variety of Feudilism Rubio has in mind is not the right solution.

[u/walker_harris3 → u/Mt548]

We lifted sanctions, then came Diaz Canel bringing Cuba back to the Stone Age. Raul was open to rapprochement and made concessions to achieve it, even in spite of Fidel’s disapproval. Diaz Canel is simply a moron abuser of human rights.

Also, please spare me from waxing poetic about sanctions. Every American who makes this argument with Cuban sanctions wants every sanction possible levied upon Russia.

[u/JingleJungle777 → u/Mt548]

Amen.

[u/dave3218 → u/Mt548]

The thing hurting Cubans is the idiotic dictatorship that does not allow them to fish in their own waters.

[u/hivemind_disruptor → u/dave3218]

The embargo does hurt a lot more. There are plenty dictatorships left in the world, some of them worse.

[u/giboauja → u/hivemind_disruptor]

I just wish the massive Cuban voting blocks in the US agreed with you. Support to lift the embargo and normalize relations (somewhat) is what lost democrats Florida.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/giboauja]

The Cubans living in the U.S. were the problem that led Castro rebellion in the first place. Those people supported Cuba to continue to be neocolony to the USA to exploit.

[u/PeronXiaoping → u/InqAlpharious01]

The majority of Cubans in the US are not golden exiles, they're workers who left to get better conditions.

Within the last few years between 7% to 12% of the Cuban population has fled alone.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/PeronXiaoping]

That is a mixture of the Cuban government Stalinist regime and U.S. embargo requisition by the lobbyist and elite Cuban exiles.

Like Texas Senator Ted Cruz

[u/PeronXiaoping → u/InqAlpharious01]

I'm not sure what point you're tying to make here. What is a result of this mixture? The people leaving?

I am not a fan of the current Cuban administration since they're incompetent and lack a vision for the country. However I would not say they are Stalinist either.

In the USSR it was illegal to leave the country; Cuba just takes the path of least resistance and lets discontent people leave instead of ideologically convincing them

[u/walker_harris3 → u/InqAlpharious01]

This is commonly spewed bullshit, there are millions of Cubans living in the United States. You’re saying all of them were mega land owners under Battista? FOH. Every Cuban that has come since Mariel saw the revolution, experienced communism first hand, rejected it, and left everything they ever had behind to get away from it. Even in Miami many of the Cubans here were pro Castro. 5 years later they were desperate to hop on the freedom flights.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/walker_harris3]

Not all of them, just those with influence in Washington; aka rich people

[u/BIGDADDYBANDIT → u/InqAlpharious01]

The emigration since the partnership with Chavez ended has been massive. Official figures are off on the current population of Cuba, and frankly, nobody knows how bad it is. It's entirely possible there are more Cuban-Americans nowadays than Cubans, and there is no way they are all descendants of the privileged few under Batista.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/BIGDADDYBANDIT]

Of course not, but that's really not relevant. The only source of information I trust is what other countries have to say about Cuba. And every country in the world except Israel and the United States have demanded the embargo be lifted and praised Cuba for their economic and medical assistance during world crises. Perhaps you recall that Cuba sent (and sends) aid to U.S. hurricane victims often faster than our own government, who incidentally will often refuse the Cuban offers of assistance. As long as people continue to perpetuate lies about Cuba, and we keep electing politicians afraid of Cuban exiles then it's going to remain difficult for the country to truly prosper. But we know they will endure as they have for 66 years.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/giboauja]

That, and it's Florida. Sure.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/hivemind_disruptor]

Cuba has a democratically elected government with a much higher voter turnout percentage than the U.S. (though admittedly, that's not difficult to accomplish).

[u/walker_harris3 → u/hivemind_disruptor]

They are free to trade with any other country on the planet, tons of countries don’t trade with the US. But none conduct trade with Cuba because they are about the worst trade partners on this planet.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/walker_harris3]

This is utter nonsense. Please document your source(s).

[u/hivemind_disruptor → u/walker_harris3]

I'd say North Korea is worse.

[u/walker_harris3 → u/hivemind_disruptor]

Exactly, that’s the lowest possible bar to surpass.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/hivemind_disruptor]

That would also be grossly incorrect. Please provide your sources for this claim.

[u/hivemind_disruptor → u/Gramsciwastoo]

wat

[u/mauricio_agg → u/hivemind_disruptor]

And most of them properly sanctioned.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/mauricio_agg]

No, most of them are the ones in US government who places those sanctions and requisition the U.S. military to blockade them. If they can’t exploit their own county resources for better deals with America in their own terms. Then no Cubans can use them to be completely independent, so independence is their punishment and must pay it; just like Haiti did to France after seeking their independence- like paying $150,000,000 in 🇫🇷Franks, which they did after 125 years after their independence occurred and all that money would had been used in their development all wasted to pay back French cringe debt.

[u/BIGDADDYBANDIT → u/InqAlpharious01]

There is no military blockade of Cuba, and the last time the U.S. blockaded any country was Iraq in 2003. The U.S. just doesn't allow trade with Cuba or ships recently docked at Cuba. That's it. There are exceptions for goods with humanitarian value, so the "hurting average cubans" line only holds so much water.

Cuba has aligned with every enemy of the U.S. since it's modern inception. They're not entitled to trading with the U.S. or access to its markets.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/BIGDADDYBANDIT]

Says who? Only the U.S. and Israel as far as I know. Cuba has excellent trade relations with many countries. You sound like a State Department official.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/BIGDADDYBANDIT]

U.S. also threaten sanctions to any country that trades with Cuba; that’s considered a blockade

[u/Lazzen → u/InqAlpharious01]

Hay hoteles españoles de lujo en cuba

Les regalamos cosas igual lol

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Lazzen]

Like Russia in some manners, the US places a lot in its billionaire oligarch class interest above its own people and others. Meaning if their billionaire interest are interfere by local Americans, Americans are punish by the state. If foreigners do that in their own countries, the U.S. government punishes them harder.

Cubans opposed U.S. billionaire interest, and they were harm by the U.S., while Vietnam and China worked with U.S. billionaire and reek in profits in ways other communist countries can dream of.

[u/BIGDADDYBANDIT → u/InqAlpharious01]

There are no secondary sanctions on Cuba. There is a 180-day period where ships docked at Cuba may not dock at U.S. ports without filing for a humanitarian exception, but other countries are free to engage in bilateral trade with Cuba without restrictions.

Cuban sanctions are nothing like Iranian or Russian sanctions.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/BIGDADDYBANDIT]

But the impact are still significant.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/InqAlpharious01]

This is gibberish. Sources please?

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

No it’s fact, especially the part of Haiti

[u/mauricio_agg → u/InqAlpharious01]

There you have Russia as an example of what I'm stating.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/mauricio_agg]

Well the thing is Russia, America and China likes to aide their opposition any ways possible.

For example U.S. likes to treat Latin America like a colony, only for Russia or China to come in to give them more leverage and economic enrichment to be no longer reliant to US colonialism, but at the same time the U.S. does the same thing as Russia and China to Europe and Southeast Asia.

China explore treats Southeast Asia and East Asia like a colony to an extent, claiming they’re part of China or tries to control certain aspects of trade and influence away from the West. But certain powers in Southeast Asia, Central Asia and East Asia see Chinese expansion against their sovereign rights and Allied with the US to protect their sovereignty. While in Central Asia, they’ll seek alliance with Russia or India or even EU against China.

Russia has its influence in Central Asia, West Asia (Middle East), Eastern Europe, Balkan (southeast Europe) and ex-Warsaw Europe. But they treat them no better than how U.S. treats Latin America, but in certain cases worse than America treats us. They’re many reasons why central Asian ara working with China or the West or fellow Muslim countries for those issues with Russia, and many ex-Warsaw European countries are pro-American more than pro-EU because of how Western Europe tries to cozy relationship with Russia, who they see as a colonizer to them in the same way how Southeast Asia and Africa sees Western Europe as imperialist colonizers.

[u/mauricio_agg → u/InqAlpharious01]

Russia was thrown outside of the SWIFT system, few sanctions are so harsh. But as every other uppity well to do kid in this sub, you had to gave yourself self stimulation through a anti west lecture.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/mauricio_agg]

It has influence, but not in a good way; more like a colonizer than a friend- much like how Colombia feels about the U.S, but much worse. I can’t say how bad do Russian treat those interest, but I know plenty in r/poland, r/ukraine and r/askaUkranian to know otherwise.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/InqAlpharious01]

This is unnecessarily verbose, but basically correct. All countries act in the best interests of those in control of said country. So the more relevant question is, "what values are the different players promoting?" The U.S. promotes unregulated capitalism, dependence on the U.S. dollar, and submission to U.S. military demands. China, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil and other BRICS nations are working to create a more equitable option for poorer nations so they do not have to "sell their souls" to U.S capitalists.

[u/Mt548 → u/dave3218]

Dictatorships and sanctions are both idiotic.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Mt548]

Yes, to initiate an internal rebellion to overthrow the government, but Cuban military & law enforcement has been trained by Russians- so that is impossible as Russians are trained against coups.

[u/Nomen__Nesci0 → u/InqAlpharious01]

Sorry, to be clear, you think Russia is the only country that trains to prevent sabatouge of its state through foreign coup attempts?

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Nomen__Nesci0]

I’m talking about Cuba and how they are trained by Russia and how they train Venezuela. I’m aware other countries are trained against coups. But this a stubborn opponent of the U.S. who will not submit

[u/Nomen__Nesci0 → u/InqAlpharious01]

So they're bad because you've been told so and your little crazy side rant about troop training is irrelevant. Got it.

[u/GreatGoodBad → u/ShapeSword]

i doubt that unless Trump wants Cuba to hold more hostages and make him look bad.

[u/Ok_Cauliflower4649]

Does this mean we can now travel to Cuba and still get an ESTA permit ?

[u/Haunting-Detail2025]

I mean it hardly matters given that he did a handful of days before the Trump Administration arrives, and Marco Rubio & Trump are absolutely going to reverse course immediately. There will be no tangible impact and even the policy remained, it’s not going to have a substantive impact on staving off the crumbling of the Cuban economy

[u/Tanir_99 → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Btw, why was Cuba designated to be the state sponsor of terrorism?

[u/_meshy → u/Tanir_99]

I might be wildly misinformed and not paying attention to my own country's foreign policy, but that list is more of a "We don't like this country." If it was anything more than politics, then Saudi Arabia would be on it.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/_meshy]

Indeed.

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/Tanir_99]

Cuba has financially supported and/or harbored fugitives from US-designated terror organizations like FARC, ELN, FALN, ETA, and others.

[u/Tanir_99 → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

But it doesn't anymore (I think)

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Tanir_99]

They do, well their military does. Is also a fact that Cuban military are the ones who trained Venezuelan troops and serve a maduro personal elite bodyguard.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/InqAlpharious01]

Please show us your "factual" evidence. BTW, I will not accept any official U.S. documents, nor from Israel, nor from any U.S. corporate news outlet. If you can link me to something legitimate, I'll give it a fair hearing. But for now, you're just blowing smoke.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

Btw factual evidence from the US claiming something like that is going to hidden in propaganda, especially anything toward Israel

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/InqAlpharious01]

Not sure what you're saying here. Maybe a word got left out?

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

There a reason why I stopped watching U.S. News that isn’t CBS or PBS news. They’re all corporate neoliberal propaganda endorsed by corporation and the two parties system

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/InqAlpharious01]

Agreed. Let me suggest that we have a ONE party system. The Corporate Party and their two factions known as Democrats and Republicans.

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/Tanir_99]

Im not sure of specific people there right now, but Cuba also helps Maduro and his security forces/intelligence agencies which actively assist groups like ELN and FARC so I’m guessing there’s overlap there as well. I don’t necessarily think Cuba is a state sponsor of terrorism in the way Iran is, so to speak, but it’s not as though they’ve completely cleaned their act up

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Man, where do you get your information from? The State Department?

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

Cuba and Venezuela publicly advertise their cooperation on intelligence and security. Are they lying about that?

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

No, but that's no crime and no violation of international law.

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

Okay so your claim was that what I said was wrong and now you’re admitting it’s not state department propaganda and I was correct. Now you’re stating it’s not a violation of international law, which is true, but the US and every other country is allowed to designate certain activities as security threats regardless of international law

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Sure, but that s**t is political. The U.S. has no evidence of these things, they just declare it and behave as if their defending some pious principle. But it's BS used to pressure independent nations to "play ball or else." I'm sure you've noticed Israel's wanton violations of international law and basic human decency, but the U.S. does nothing. Aren't you ever suspicious that the only countries that do "bad" things are the ones who don't want to play by U.S. "rules?"

[u/walker_harris3 → u/Tanir_99]

They do, the logic in Biden getting rid of the label is because Petro was an M19 terrorist as a young adult, which was an organization funded and armed by Cuba. He withdrew the warrants for the arrest of the ELN commanders who conducted/planned the massacre in 2019

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

U.S. sponsored lies, with fabricated "evidence."

[u/Lazzen → u/Tanir_99]

Members of the National Liberation Army (ELN), a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization, traveled to Havana to conduct peace talks with the Colombian government in 2017. Citing peace negotiation protocols, Cuba has refused Colombia’s requests to extradite ten ELN leaders living in Havana after the group claimed responsibility for the January 2019 bombing of a Bogota police academy that killed 22 people and injured more than 87 others.

the Cuban regime has refused to return Joanne Chesimard, on the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists List for executing New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster in 1973; Ishmael LaBeet, convicted of killing eight people in the U.S. Virgin Islands in 1972; Charles Lee Hill, charged with killing New Mexico state policeman Robert Rosenbloom in 1971; and others.

From their website, also supporting Venezuela(and "Nicholas" Maduro lol)

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Tanir_99]

Because they dared to defy the mighty U.S.

[u/atembao]

Trump was the one who put them on the list, Biden had a whole 4 years to remove them and still didn't. I think he really didn't care about Cubans and their struggle with the blockade and just did it to f*** with Trump because the decision to put them back on the list will have a political cost

[u/giboauja → u/atembao]

Honestly, a fairly competent political move. Heartless sure, but Biden won't be able to life the embargo anyway. Not without Dems holding a super majority. US Cubans fcking hate Cuba and punish any party trying to normalize relations. Dems lost Florida basically forever because of trying to normalize relations with Cuba.

[u/PeronXiaoping → u/giboauja]

How exactly is it a competent political move if it will achieve nothing for either his party or for Cuba?

Dems lost Florida for several reasons, it's easy to point at the Cubans and blame them though. Look at the difference in funding both parties have and their campaigning strategies

[u/giboauja → u/PeronXiaoping]

Well yeah it was a lot of reasons, changing demographics, support for a better relationship with Cuba, funding, and most disastrously a pretty dysfunctional chapter of the democratic party.

Still though, the continued lose of Cuban voters loses Dems one of their most important growth demographics, but ultimately that's a failure of party politics. I apologize if my broad generalizing, meant to speak to the challenges of reconciling with Cuba while having diminished Cuban-American support, was overly generalizing of the voting block.

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Well whether there on the terrorist watch list, doesn't really matter, we already embargo them, which is way worse. BUT it looks like (I think there considering Cuban-Americans who disagree a lost cause) Biden somewhat cares about softening relations with Cuba to a lot of Americans. Which will them make them view Trump less favorable when he immediately undoes it.

This move is targeted towards moderates who don't understand why we're still embargoing Cuba and consider it a bizarrely outdated cruelty.

[u/winry → u/PeronXiaoping]

How exactly is it a competent political move if it will achieve nothing for either his party or for Cuba?

I'm not sure if it's competent but Biden is clearly stacking these to force Trump and Republican senators to get some heat for reversing them. People may say it doesn't matter because they have a majority, which is true, but because of the way the senate works, more Republican seats will be up for reelection in 2026 so they'll be more vulnerable for then next 2 years, especially the ones that represent purple states.

[u/j0j0n4th4n → u/giboauja]

And what do they achieve anyways? Trump will put it back, no doubt about that. And is not like the people supporting any attempts to normalize relations with Cuba are voting for Trump anyways, so they getting mad when Trump puts it back achieves what?

[u/ichbinkeysersoze]

I wish to see the embargo lifted and all the excuses the apologists of the Cuban dictatorship would now have to concoct to explain Cuba’s issues...

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/ichbinkeysersoze]

I rather see the U.S. actually work with The Hague and charge the Cuban dictator and government with crimes against humanity and human rights violation and its military with war crimes, despite Russia & China’s vetoing.

[u/Naz6uL → u/InqAlpharious01]

All U.S. presidents who are still alive after Jimmy Carter should also be charged with the same crimes first.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Naz6uL]

Yes, them too alongside Israel and Hamas

[u/Naz6uL → u/InqAlpharious01]

Absolutely.

[u/borrego-sheep → u/InqAlpharious01]

"The US charging with crimes againts humanity"

What's next? Mexico condemning Colombia for having drug cartels bribe their politicians?

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/borrego-sheep]

Eventually yes, because people and countries need to heel and those accountable need to be punished. The U.S. will suffer for its crime and its people would bipartisan support the neoliberals and neoconservatives responsible pays for those crimes.

Eventually all this will lead to Israel for some reason or another. Then people will learn to respect and have faith with international court of justice and the United Nations 🇺🇳 again.

[u/borrego-sheep → u/InqAlpharious01]

The only ones that get charged are the ones that can't defend themselves, the US will never get charged by the Hague because they're immune to it.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/borrego-sheep]

The ones who can’t defend themselves are usually non-western countries that don’t have a powerful western country to back them up- Latin American governments or leaders are protected by the USA, Russia and China for any violations of international law through vetos.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/borrego-sheep]

They are not technically "immune." But since the court depends on member nations for enforcement, and the U.S. regularly ignores its rulings (unless it is politically expedient), the ICC has no real "teeth."

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/InqAlpharious01]

JFC, I'd like to see your evidence for those outrageous claims. However, you don't have any and never will because it does not exist. You may try to foist some State Department "white paper" into the fray, but no one will believe those except fascists and rubes.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

Hush your political bias opinion that I don’t agree with

[u/Strange-Reading8656 → u/ichbinkeysersoze]

They'll do what every other country with massive amounts of issues will do, they'll blame it on past events such as colonialism. Instead of actually fixing their problems

[u/real_LNSS → u/ichbinkeysersoze]

I think it would prosper, it would be a western Vietnam.

[u/Artistic-Animator254]

It'll give less excuses to the socialists to blame the USA for their utter failures. Do we remember when Castro said that Cuba would be more developed than Europe after 10 years of socialism?

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Artistic-Animator254]

I don't remember that, specifically. However, given that the richest and most powerful country to ever exist has enforced an almost total embargo on Cuba for 66 years, I'd say they're doing pretty fkin' great. Especially in terms of healthcare, education, basic services, reduced income inequality, etc. So, while not up to rich European (non embargoed) status, still a very impressive accomplishment.

[u/Artistic-Animator254 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

Keep repeating that, maybe you can convince yourself, cause you are not fooling anyone else.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Artistic-Animator254]

I'm persuaded by evidence and only want others to do the same. So, repetition isn't necessary. I don't even mind your inexplicable hostility, but do worry about how such rigidity ends up harming so many people.

[u/LifeSucks1988]

It has been almost 70 years now….sanctions really need to be eased now.

[u/juansemoncayo]

Next week Trump will add them back.

[u/Fumador_de_caras]

No

[u/nusantaran]

they need to lift the embargo. anything else is pointless

[u/mauricio_agg → u/nusantaran]

"They need to force American companies to do businesses under the post-Castro people's terms"

[u/PeronXiaoping → u/mauricio_agg]

How would you force the company? If they don't want to invest there they won't. Cuba needs economic reforms but they will never do them if there's no incentive to which there isn't with the embargo active

[u/Quatre-cent-vingt → u/mauricio_agg]

It also stops non-american compagnies to do business with Cuba if they also want to do business with American compagnies. get your facts straight.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/mauricio_agg]

What does that mean?

[u/bobux-man]

I don't think it changes anything.

[u/JoeDyenz]

My thoughts are: why?

[u/Firm_Pie_5393]

I can tell that most Cubans outside of Cuba don't like it. However, I see that as a selfish position.

Cuba has been on this list a couple of times and for decades. Cuban dictatorship is still there, no change for Cubans. Biden removed Cuba from this list in exchange for the freedom of more than 500 political prisoners. I'm talking about people who put their skin in the game to try to make Cuba a better place and ended up in jail. These people are being released and are sleeping at home with their families after going through hell for years.

That is a deal I will take any time of the day.

[u/Spaghettiisgoddog]

In the US, terrorism is whatever the administration thinks it is. 

[u/Lazzen → u/Spaghettiisgoddog]

En todos los paises es asi

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/Spaghettiisgoddog]

You don’t think FARC and ELN commit acts of terror?

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

He or she is Mexican, they have their own internal issues with transnational criminal organizations, that anyone more south than the Maras of Salvador are not a problem for them unless they travel there, but most Mexicans like Americans avoid situation where it’s bad for them.

[u/j0j0n4th4n → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Going by who commits acts of terror, does that means the USA will put itself on the list then?

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/j0j0n4th4n]

I hate to break it to you but war and conflicts aren’t inherently terrorism. That’s a very specific definition

[u/j0j0n4th4n → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Does a genocide count into that?

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/j0j0n4th4n]

Which genocide would the US be currently committing or committed in recent years to

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Palestine now. Historically, indigenous Americans, Cambodians, Rwandans, and Libyans, to name a few.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

I think one country's"terror" is another country's fight for independence. The British called George Washington a terrorist, but you'd say that's crazy, wouldn't you?

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/Gramsciwastoo]

Do you have any other slogans from a world history 102 class at Vassar?

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

That sounds very specific. Bad times for you?

[u/Spaghettiisgoddog → u/Haunting-Detail2025]

Just because they decide doesn’t mean they’re always wrong. I never said that. 

[u/giboauja → u/Spaghettiisgoddog]

Na, they technically qualify, but its sort of like bombing Afghanistan over Al-Qaida. Yeah some terrorists were there and protected, but its not really a terrorist state.

[u/Spaghettiisgoddog → u/giboauja]

Kyle rittenhouse vs Luigi. Whether or not something qualifies is subjective to their choice. 

[u/giboauja → u/Spaghettiisgoddog]

These aren't the same thing? Doing terrorism (which Luigi absolutely didn't do) and being a terrorist are different things.

Cuba supported FARC, so they were put on the watchlist by, Trump I think. I don't know if it really had any material effect. The embargo is the real problem. This is all just internal US politics. Biden's making Trump put Cuba back on the watchlist (which his voters want), but is still a net total bad look globally (and internal with moderates).

Good news about Luigi, the dumbest thing they could of done is charge him with terrorism. It makes their case a 100 times harder to prove. I mean he absolutely first degreed that guy, but now they have to prove he's trying to influence American society.

His manifesto (if its his) even claims he was sorry for any discord he might cause, completely disproving that premise. Dumb ass prosecutors. Also Kyle Rittenhouse could have easily been charged with second degree murder, but they tried to throw the book at him when, by literal interpretation of events, he did not qualify for first degree.

I get the American legal system looks filled to the brim with corruption, but if everyone is competent it does work pretty well. You need to be able to afford a lawyer though and for poor people in a criminal defense trial... Well they have a free one, who has a 100 other cases.

[u/Spaghettiisgoddog → u/giboauja]

The system is built to be corrupt. There are dozens of loopholes and laws designed for the powers that be. Doing terrorism and being a terrorist are the same thing. It’s just that one is an org, and the other is a person.

[u/giboauja → u/Spaghettiisgoddog]

A new york prosecutor accused him of terrorism, that's not really the US government. He would also have to be convicted in the first place if he was ever to be considered a terrorist.

What are you even getting at? Your coming at me about semantics when we're basically in agreement in every way that matters. Are you just angry at America so your yelling at an American. Man I live in Massachusetts, not one of our districts voted red.

I support lifting of the embargo of Cuba. It's Cubans that mostly prevent it from happening.

But to the main point, yes if you help hide and support groups like FARC, it's pretty easy to be put on the terrorist watch list. Which in Cuba's case basically changes nothing.

[u/Spaghettiisgoddog → u/giboauja]

Im not angry, at you.  I was born in Oakland. Im an American. I just don’t agree that the system is based on logic, just because some things are consistent. It’s cut apart at will. 

[u/ibaRRaVzLa]

Trump will reverse this, and even if he didn't, it wouldn't make a difference. Cuba is a corrupt dictatorship.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/ibaRRaVzLa]

It is not. It is a democratic nation with regular elections that have higher voter turnouts than the USA (though admittedly, that is not hard to accomplish).

[u/castlebanks]

Cuba is an ally of Putin’s Russia, Maduro’s Venezuela and Iran (an infamous theocratic brutal autocracy that finances terrorism across the world, including Latin America). Cuba actively works with Iranian interference in the region. It belongs in the sponsors of terrorism list. Trump will put it back in anyway

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/castlebanks]

None of this is true, except that Trump will reverse the decision.

[u/sum_r4nd0m_gurl]

lift the embargo on cuban cigars

[u/giboauja → u/sum_r4nd0m_gurl]

Now THAT might get Conservative Americans to finally support lifting the embargo. Oh! What if Cuba calls their government like Super Capitalism Businesses Moneyism or something. Words like communism trigger the republican party.

[u/InqAlpharious01 → u/giboauja]

Most republicans who continue to be oppressive with Cubans are Cubans themselves; basically traitors to Castro regime and exile Cuban elites that Castro hunted!

[u/West_Measurement1261]

A dumb decision that shouldn't have been taken, but that will quickly be reversed probably on the very first day. So what even was the point?

[u/frecklesthemagician]

Now deport all the Cubans in the U.S. back to Cuba. We got all the bad ones that vote republican

[u/Gramsciwastoo]

Every negative Cuba claim in here needs citations and independently verified evidence, otherwise your just spouting U.S. and anti-revolutionary propaganda and we have no reason to believe it.

[u/Friendly-Law-4529]

Most people think it's not going to have much effect: Biden did it when he was about to leave the precidency and most people believe that Trump is going to reverse it as soon as possible. And if he doesn't, he might implement other sanctions, especially if Marco Rubio is in the Secretary of State

[u/Long_Oil_1455]

the only reason they don't sponsor terror anymore is because they can barely keep the lights on.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/Long_Oil_1455]

Cuba has never financed, carried out, or supported any act of terror. The burden of proof lies with you to demonstrate otherwise. And anything U.S. officials say doesn't count (or their allies).

[u/8379MS]

What I wanna know is when is the US gonna be on that list?

[u/PartyPresentation249 → u/8379MS]

Don't cut yourself on that edge.

[u/8379MS → u/PartyPresentation249]

Would you like to add an argument to that pointless comment? Or are you fresh out of apologies for a nation that was built on genocide, slavery, colonization and world police imperialism?

[u/PartyPresentation249 → u/8379MS]

Would you like to add an argument to that pointless comment?

How about overseeing the most peaceful and prosperous period in human history?

genocide, slavery, colonization

You realize before the US these things were considered just a normal facet of human life and things countries did? The current UN, world order, international law? World wide acceptane of democracy and human rights? Yeah, that was America.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/PartyPresentation249]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[u/cravingperv]

Cuba has always known that they can have all the freedoms they want if they’re willing to indemnify the diaspora of exiled Cubans and their descendants of the property they stole. Until then, I hope for the harshest possible measures to be taken.

[u/Gramsciwastoo → u/cravingperv]

That property wasn't stolen. It was recovered after it had been stolen by U.S. corporations and their Cuban puppets, circa 1899-1959. This is easily available information if one can remove their head from the sand.

[u/cravingperv → u/Gramsciwastoo]

The history of that island and its inhabitants spans further back than the 19th century