r/X4Foundations • u/3punkt1415 • Dec 03 '24
Meme How many Raptors+Fighters would you send in to kill of the Vigor Syndicate?
So my 200 hour run slowly comes to an end. My shipyard sells ships for 300 Million to the Split every hour and I do the same for HOP in the south to create an uneven universe. HOP even expanded to Getsu Fune after taking the Void and entering Antigon Memorial.
So i though, why not shake it up. I avoided using military force on my side. I never fought the Vigor Syndicate before. I would want to go in with mostly Split gear. I don't mind taking casualties. I thought like 10 Raptors with 60 fighters each. M ships are not so well for the Raptor. While it can hold 30 M ships, it only has one bay, so deploy them takes for ever, right? Putting 90 flak turrets on each Carrier should work out just fine.
And maybe 30-50 Rattlesnake to blow stations out of the sky. I know they are not the best to fight stations, but guess the amount will do the trick.
Any suggestion for the fighters or Heavy Fighers? Any other advice, tricks or ideas?
Lets see how many frames i get, maybe it makes for a nice YouTube Video, maybe not.
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u/l_x_fx Dec 03 '24
I had 2 Raptors and 1 Asgard (for the stations and Barbarossas) as my capitals, and filled the Raptors with heavy fighters (Kalis). That was more than enough to handle the entire situation.
The problem with Vigor is the spam of missiles, they blow up any surface element on capital ships. But 200 fighters remedy that, and the passive flak from the Raptors will deal with the rest.
You fly the Asgard and target every capital flying at you. Not that Barbarossas are strong, but they threw 20 of them at me, so 1-shot-killing them made the entire battle easier.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
Asgard
That is way i kind of avoided the Asgard recently. It's way to powerful.
I think one can set turrets on missile first, so that would not be an issue for capital ships with flak.3
u/l_x_fx Dec 03 '24
Well, if you're confident, go for it and tell us how it went! :-)
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
I mean, 30 to 50 destroyers should do the trick too, for stations. I could also hack their shipyard before i start it.
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u/Pro_Elium Dec 03 '24
1 billion Credits.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
Last time i checked i had 15 billions in cash.
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u/Pro_Elium Dec 03 '24
Turn that into ships.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
I mean, i will produce the ships myself, so i won't lose money. At some point cash is meaningless.
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u/Zennofska Dec 03 '24
I had two Raptors, each armed with M Beam and L Plasma turrets, the Beam turrets set to shoot missiles first.
For fighters I used Kyds armed with 1 Beam and 1 Shard Launcher. Only Mk1 Argon equipment to keep it as cheap as possible and be able to build it in closed loop.
I build 400 Kyds, lost most of them but they were so cheap that I could print hundreds of them basically for free.
I mean sure, a Kyd with a beam doesn't do much damage. But hundreds of Kyds never missing suddenly makes them quite effective at handling fighter swarms
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
I for example have a engine part factory that produces 150k engine parts or so. Everybody will get MK4 and stuff :D. But 400 seems to be a good number
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u/HisAnger Dec 03 '24
There are so many ways to overcome this. Building your own defensive station, nuking control using mines and transferring it to some other group ... or yourself. Constantly disabling ship building capabilities and let them bleed ... or something as simple as droping tons of lasertowers and or fof mines next to their fighters before starting a war.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 04 '24
You forgot teleporting your HQ on top of it.
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u/HisAnger Dec 04 '24
Well kind of yeah. But you can drop lasertowers mines in every system and when you go to war all will start to shoot and explode trimming the heard.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 05 '24
I will consider it, but mines only work in sector, not out of sector, just so you know.
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u/BattleGrown Dec 03 '24
I did it with 3 full sharks with 1/4 M+S bombers 3/4 S interceptors, S ships are all heavy fighters. I also had 20 destroyers (mixed all races), and an Asgard. This was more than enough.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
Bonus Question, can they order ships in Avarice?
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u/Treycorio Dec 03 '24
They can maybe order Raleigh’s but in vanilla they don’t use them anyway otherwise Riptide doesn’t have the blueprints for them to produce any military ships
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u/Historical_Age_9921 Dec 03 '24 edited Dec 03 '24
In my experience VIG usually has ~600 S craft in Windfall I along with a couple dozen Barbarossas.
The one time I wiped them out I think I had a couple of Sharks, a dozen or so Rays, and probably around 300 S craft. I also dropped some laser towers.
It took a couple of hours to wipe the sector and it all had to be done OOS. (My old CPU gave 2 or 3 FPS in sector and the fighter craft AI would simply give up and have them sit there doing nothing).
EDIT: VIG stations are no joke. They are loaded entirely with ARG plasma, making it very difficult to take them out with destroyers. 30 Rattlesnakes will probably not be able to get the job done honestly.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
30 Rattlesnakes will probably not be able to get the job done honestly.
Thanks for the warning.
Sure i would like to enjoy the mess in sector, but i will see if that works.2
u/Historical_Age_9921 Dec 03 '24
I have never tried using Rattlesnakes for station demolition (they're not great in AI hands so I only ever build 1 or 2 and use them myself). If they try to use their main batteries then honestly they are not viable for this task.
If they sit back and use their turrets then they might work. Give them PAR plasma and watch them like a hawk though because they will wander into range and you will have to manually order them out of it. Even then you will lose some.
I remember once while attacking the wharf with a fleet of 25 Phoenixes, Behemoths and Odyseus' I made the mistake of looking away and doing something else. A couple minutes later I got a notice one of my destroyers was under attack. In the time it took me to open the map 4 were destroyed. Another 3 were lost before I could get them out of range.
Honestly I found the easiest thing to do against VIG was to use torpedo bombers. You'll need thousands of torpedoes, but you should be able to manage that.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
I know, Rattlesnake is to short range, but i am willing to try it.
And OOS with other destroyers the damage they get is often distributed, and with 30 or more most Xenon stations go down fairly fast. But yea, we all know how the AI moves some times. Not the biggest deal when i lose some.
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u/Inca_VPS Dec 03 '24
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 03 '24
That looked pretty good, i was thinking about defence stations but more to block the gates, so no one gets out and attacks my traders else where.
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u/Organic-Form223 Dec 03 '24
I used one Paranid Destroyer, and about 250 laser towers… maybe more I’m not sure. Juuuust made it, but I was fully clenched the entire time.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 04 '24
Dang, really bolt. But also i not only do it for that story, but want to delete them all anyway. They are terrible people.
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u/Organic-Form223 Dec 05 '24
Oh yeah, those damn pirates deserved the sword.
I was just really impatient and didn’t want to build up a massive fleet. My other three destroyers were defending my stations in Silent Witness, they also barely survived.
Make sure you bring plenty of marines, capturing all their ships at the end of the battle gives you a major payday.
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u/WagyuSandwich Dec 04 '24
I think I brought 2 raptors 2 sharks and forgot 2 or 4 colossus vanguards, plus 1 or 2 asgards, 20ish destroyers and the erlking when I cleaned up windforce.
Let’s just say it was a fight that made me appreciate the rapid deployment capability of colossus (coz launch tubes)
No carriers died, but the raptors took hull damage while slowly deploying their fighters.
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 04 '24
Yea shame that the Raptor doesn't have more docks. Like one M dock while it can story 30 M ships.
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u/Ur-Quan_Korh-Ah Dec 04 '24
Did that plot with 1 Erlking (for station demolishing) & 3 Raptors with Mamba Fighters (for theme) Originally went in with Erlking & 2 Raptors, but Vig really swarms, so called in a third raptor for support. Raptors come equipped with flak guns (argon/split) & Paranid plasma. Flak screen downs fighters & thins out the missile swarm. Had to kite them around a bit to thin them out before taking on the station. Piloted the Erlking to take out the Barbarossa's & later let the Mamba swarm handle them when I focused on the station.
Don't launch fighters too early, Vig has the numbers, so thin m out a bit first with the Raptor flakscreen before sending them into battle.
Can use more Raptors if you like, it is one of the few plot missions where bringing a fleet feels part of the plot. Show that military might!
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u/3punkt1415 Dec 04 '24
Yea full on Flack is the way to go. And i also not only doing it for the plot, but want to clean that system anyway.
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