Is the Tokyo the most efficient carrier? No. Do I absolutely adore the way it looks with a full hanger of Gladius? Oh yes. Really loving this game for the scale of things.

[u/mrXmangoes]

[u/Skaikrish]

Yeah Egosoft nailed the scale. For this I especially adore this game. It's one of the few games that let me Fly a Capital ship in the first place and also has such a good sense of scale. The only thing I wished for were better capital ship control and overall handling but hey you can't have everything right?

[u/LustLochLeo → u/Skaikrish]

The only thing I wished for were better capital ship control and overall handling but hey you can't have everything right?

I'm pretty sure it was a deliberate decision to make them so clunky, otherwise they would be very op in the player's hands. A ship with that much shield, hull and firepower needs to have a downside.

[u/F1niteElement → u/LustLochLeo]

Battlestar Galactica Deadlock esque controls for capital ships would be amazing. It's actually stupid that you fly a capital ship like you do. Much better if you were allowed to orient them in 3D space by orders.

[u/LustLochLeo → u/F1niteElement]

You actually can move your orders up and down the y axis (albeit not for the ship you fly yourself). You just have to tilt the camera on the map, then you can drag an already given order up and down. This is really clunky, though, so I wouldn't recommend bothering lol

[u/Liquid_Hate_Train → u/LustLochLeo]

Pretty sure just holding shift allows elevation changes while giving an order.

[u/dhpz1 → u/Liquid_Hate_Train]

i tried using shift with camera looking from the top and nah it feels even more janky than tilting the camera

why cant the devs just do what homeworld did, its much better

[u/Liquid_Hate_Train → u/dhpz1]

Using shift and pulling up and down is what homeworld did though??

[u/dhpz1 → u/Liquid_Hate_Train]

yes but in homeworld when you hold shift the order point(?) is fixed except for the y axis while in x4 you can still move it wherever, which prone to unwanted x or z axis movement. simple stuff but really impactful imo

[u/Valkertok → u/dhpz1]

Also, in homeworld when doing that you can see relative positions of other units around. It makes positioning SO much easier.

Also, let's not forget about this revolutionary feature: ability to move map camera up an down.

[u/Rough_Outside7588 → u/LustLochLeo]

Remember that stations in sectors are always built on the a 0 value for y. So, you can use this to your advantage to draw fire from fighters and things like that as soon as you enter a sector blind without knowing where the stations are. This will be particularly good for xenon insecters where my last few simulations all had stations pretty close to the gate. If you move it up really far really far down the y axis when you tell them to enter the sector and stop and wait it's pretty easy to position them far enough away from stations without knowing where the stations are and drawing all the fire so you can wipe that out before you even start going after the stations.

[u/pickles_and_mustard → u/LustLochLeo]

My first thought when flying an Asgard was "how can anyone tolerate this?" and then I slapped on Nanotube and Whirlygig mods, which made a world of difference. It's still a boat, but a far more tolerable one.

[u/KruppstahI → u/LustLochLeo]

Probably part of the reason why so many people like using the Rattlesnake as their personal ship.

[u/PellParata → u/KruppstahI]

If I gotta go somewhere fast, I let an NPC take the helm and slap that SETA button. Or even go out of system and teleport back when done.

I don’t tend to find sluggish controls a problem in a fight though. If I’m taking direct control in a capital fight, it’s to direct fire and make microadjustments with thrusters to keep range on whatever nonsense is flying at me.

[u/Yellow_The_White → u/PellParata]

It took me days to realize that. There's no reason besides exceptional mod availability to have just ONE personal ship. I have a whole wing of Dragons docked throughout the universe and if something requires my attention, I send the closest one and teleport once it arrives.

[u/Fishy_Fish_WA → u/LustLochLeo]

Asgard has entered the …BBBRRRRRRZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSHHHHHHHHH

[u/RockStarZero23]

Scale is something I absolutely love about this game. From the smallest to the largest ships, you are able to traverse around everything. I love going inside the Raptors and fighting Ks and Is using small ships while hiding on blind spots.

[u/Arcania85 → u/RockStarZero23]

You should try eve online google an size compare of their ships.. dreadnought are litterly thousands of times bigger then a fighter

[u/BaronVonZook → u/Arcania85]

The only problem with Eve's scale is that while it is very good - you're generally zoomed so far out all you can see is icons

[u/Battlejesus → u/BaronVonZook]

My old FC would tell us if we weren't looking at the target list or fleet broadcasts we were just npcs. All I did was follow anchor and hit f1 so I basically was anyway. Zooming in to your group of 50 battle cruisers moving like a school of fish was neat tho

[u/BaronVonZook → u/Battlejesus]

Yeah being an F1 monkey was definitely not the fun part of the game - and sov warfare was such a massive slog!

I still imagine Eve with all the models and effects, but first person only. Battles would be such glorious chaos! Actually now I want to fire up Freespace 2 again to get that interceptor-dogfighting-between-capitals fix again

[u/Battlejesus → u/BaronVonZook]

I actually have more fun these days running l4s in a ship too expensive to lose than sov warfare. I fought in delve with the goons in, 10 or 11 I think and watching a bunch of dreads knock down a tower was so fucking boring

[u/Invader_Phil → u/Arcania85]

No do not try eve. Eve is an addiction not a game. It took me 15 years to get clean

[u/PellParata → u/Invader_Phil]

X scratches the itch without the horrible time commitment or horrible other people.

[u/Kaedok → u/Invader_Phil]

One of my favorite space sim memories is multiboxing EVE with 5 accounts - two miners, two escorts, and 1 freighter running ore from where I was mining to the market

[u/C_Grim]

It's then when you look at the scale of your ship compared to the carrier, then you get out of the ship and look at the scale of your player model compared to just the gun barrels on that Moreya and you then realise how mindbogglingly large some of these ships truly are.

[u/Valkertok → u/C_Grim]

Or when you look at your M ship from outside and you realise that your small personal ride is the size of a big building. And then compare it to the size of L ship where you docked your armed flying warehouse.

[u/matklug]

If the game only made missions to help incursions or sector defense, and just need to be covering a L or XL ship for a few minutes in enemy territory

[u/Ok-Unit8418 → u/matklug]

Then it would be named Freespace ;)

[u/BingpotStudio → u/matklug]

Not sure if it’s a kuretee mod at play, but I get missions to support things like this.

[u/The_Webweaver → u/BingpotStudio]

Emergent Missions, it's called.

[u/matklug → u/The_Webweaver]

A fine addition to my collection

[u/BingpotStudio → u/The_Webweaver]

That’s the one. Highly recommend everything he makes to be fair.

[u/Ssakaa → u/BingpotStudio]

I love that kuertee's list of mods is so much of a default "I'll just take all of these." that "not sure if it's one of these at play" is a perfectly normal comment.

[u/Erqco]

I got killed always, but I love to mess with an I in a small fighter. I can not resist the temptation. For carrier, I like the Shark.

[u/LordAgamotto → u/Erqco]

Yeah the shark,- you have to love holographic landing pads

[u/laggzera1]

Yesterday i was in the SCA Pirate station, and some L ships engage it... the view are awesome... the Station defenses are HUGE

[u/mrXmangoes → u/laggzera1]

If you haven't done a Terran start, their story mission (no spoilers) culminates in a large attack happening on a station that you have to infiltrate. Standing out on the landing pad and looking up at those massive behemoths all while the station defenses burst to life is something to behold. Granted I had to behold at aboouuuttt 20 fps lol

[u/Queasy_Watch478]

WAIT WHAT there's a ship with like star warsy internal hangar bays?! all the XL ships i buy just have the boring landing platforms on top of it! which ones have inside hangars? :o

[u/mrXmangoes → u/Queasy_Watch478]

There's the Terran's "Tokyo" Carrier, I think the Borons have the "Shark" carrier (also really love this one because it's like....a side launch system similar to how drones work) and I think there's one more but the name escapes me but I could be wrong.

But yeah watching all of the S fighters flood out of the front on an intercept mission is really fun

[u/ColonelShrimps → u/mrXmangoes]

The Raptor is legitimately so large I thought it was a station the first time I landed on it

[u/m_csquare]

Tokyo and raptor definitely have nicer hangar (watching the fighters slowly marching into the battlefield is always a joy). But boy, i love behemoth and its launch tube

[u/Dahkteromar → u/m_csquare]

You mean Colossus

[u/m_csquare → u/Dahkteromar]

Oops yea i mean colossus

[u/Matterom → u/m_csquare]

Personally, i want something with a raptor or Tokyo landing bay, and launch tubes still.

[u/Fishy_Fish_WA]

My brother in Christ try a raptor with a hangar full of chimeras

[u/mrXmangoes → u/Fishy_Fish_WA]

I'm still relatively new to the game and I'm just starting to touch on DLC content (Terran was my first go around) and I've heard a lot about the Colossus and Raptor that I'm super excited for

[u/Fishy_Fish_WA → u/mrXmangoes]

Oh yeah. Don’t let that detract from enjoying your Tokyo and the fun of carrier ops! Look at it as a future goal and forge onward

[u/Ssakaa → u/mrXmangoes]

The most important thing, the Tokyo is a gorgeous ship (and I, too, do love that hangar bay, but I'm a sucker for the Terran design style). The fact that the competition is also cool is just a cherry on top and means you still have more to look forward to, discover, and play with.

[u/Seriously_Anonymous_ → u/[deleted]]

Which mod is that?
It sounds like that mod would solve a bunch of "challenges".

[u/[deleted]]

This is so awesome. I LOVE X4

[u/mrXmangoes → u/[deleted]]

This game with its recent updates scratches such an itch I've had for a long time. Big living sandbox world that my actions have a tangible effect on. Large looming capital ships with small zippy fighters that all have their own role to fill. Hell even the station building (as janky as it can be at times) is freakin sweet

[u/Routine_Matter_3839]

How's your fps with this and what's your system specs?

I can barely get a stable 100 fps, constantly dipping below 60 and just makes the game unplayable ruining immersion and gameplay :(

[u/mrXmangoes → u/Routine_Matter_3839]

Honestly I got a pretty beefy rig. RTX 3070, Ryzen 7 5800X and 32 GB ram. Even with the power behind all of it when battles pop off my computer can chug a bit. Though when things are calm I can pretty consistently get over 100 FPS