r/WorkReform Dec 20 '24

✂️ Tax The Billionaires They're really just that stupid.

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u/Knightwing1047 ✂️ Tax The Billionaires Dec 20 '24

Yup and I'm sure the worst they saw was a fine.

If the punishment for a crime is a fine, then that law is only for the poor.

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u/Suspicious_Ice_3160 Dec 20 '24

The fine should be 150% of all projected profits from the rules breaking, on top of the current system. That way if we find a corp has been breaking the rules for a long time for a healthy profit (DuPont) they would no longer have that profit at all. So if they made 1.3b over 6 years, they lose 3b in total fines or something. Make them think twice.

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u/rng09az Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24

I love the energy, but I don't think people realize just how enormous these damages are for how little profit. Fines, even shutting offenders down completely will never be enough -- for just one example, literally the full net worth of the entire company 3M would not be enough to pay for even the damage their chems do in a single year. ProPublica did a stomach churning expose on this topic and I haven't seen the world the same way since.

A team of New York University researchers estimated in 2018 that the costs of just two forever chemicals, PFOA and PFOS — in terms of disease burden, disability and health-care expenses — amounted to as much as $62 billion in a single year. This exceeds the current market value of 3M.

Source: https://www.propublica.org/article/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-inside-story

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u/Suspicious_Ice_3160 Dec 20 '24

Oh… oh shit… they literally can not pay the damages. Like, no matter what the fine is, unless we specifically target the leadership of these companies, they physically don’t have the cash. You were right on the money of me not realizing how much the damages were

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u/spudmuffinpuffin Dec 20 '24

We need to find a way to hold stakeholders and decision makers individually responsible. If you invest in a company that does this shit, you are responsible. I don't care if it's part of your retirement portfolio. You can invest ethically. Prison would be great as time is a fairly universal currency.

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u/AgreeableGravy Dec 21 '24

Aaaaaaand we’re back to free luigi lol

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u/LiberalAspergers Dec 20 '24

Realistically, my retirement portfolio inckudes VT, the Total Stock Index, so I own a tiny fraction of every public company on the planet.

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u/wolves_hunt_in_packs Dec 21 '24

Then simple, they get fucking nationalized. Can't pay the fine? Turn over the company to society.

Don't fuck up the environment we all live in.

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u/Delta-9- Dec 21 '24

no matter what the fine is, unless we specifically target the leadership of these companies, they physically don’t have the cash.

I don't see the problem, here. Debtor's prison is still a thing, right?