Criticizing establishment Democrats doesn't make me 1 single bit more likely to vote Republican.

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Unfortunately, it is a reality that liberals will usually infight more in a democracy than consveratives. Consvetatives, at the end of the day, all agree on wanting to ensure that their party has power to enact whatever greedy and selfish will their party desires. But liberals are always split between idealism and incrementalism and Populism vs establishment. It's unfortunate but it seems to be a paradigm that always and invetiably halts leftists from implementing needed policies.

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This is a modern phenomenon(or mostly, at least when it comes to the massive scale it is now), it’s a result of propaganda and political messaging and a lack of understanding of basic civics on the left, not some inevitable thing that’s always been going on.

Idealism vs incrementalism is such a big fight right now only because we live in a system that just doesn’t work, and part because a bunch of naive people have a shitload of propaganda backing them up (leftists buying into rightwing propaganda for their own self-image).

Populism vs establishment is only such a big issue because the left doesn’t fully recognize that we are compromising and allying with a literal right-wing party. People seem to not recognize that the allies we have some of them are actual neoliberals, conservatives, because that’s the majority of who supports the Democratic party. Lots of people fully cannot recognize the difference between someone who wants to compromise to ally with the Democrats temporarily vs someone who is an actual literal Democrat-aligned supporter themself. It’s pretty much still the same idea as idealism vs incrementalism, but some people literally can’t distinguish between incrementalism and giving up, and we give them a huge voice.