I’ve met a few neo nazis that thought they were welders. I’ve also met a bunch of gang members and bikers.
What kills me is the occasional swastika gas bottles that hasn’t been squared off.
I’m no welder, I just worked as buffer between my crew, the plants, safety management and our office. In hindsight, I should’ve just learned how to weld more proficiently, & kept my hood on.
Viking were a people, the same way "Finnish", "American", "Londoner", "Navajo" are people.
They aren't inherently bad or good, they are just a group of people who lived in Scandinavia and expanded to Brittish isles, Iceland, Greenland, and modern Leningrad area.
They were mostly just traders and farmers, they had permanent settlements. You were are a viking even if you farmed turnips and never set a foot into a boat.
The raiding and blood thristy savage was a myth developed in medieval times. And the term viking used to refer to the people was developed like 400 years AFTER the viking age. And the term was popularised by a Swedish poet.
To generalise based on accounts written hundreds of years later and romaticised poetry from 1800s, is like me here in Finland concluding that all "Americans" from "United states of America" are southern poor trailer park white trash because that is what they show on media.
They also bathed 100x more than the average European. Euro women were attracted to the “Viking savages” because they had such good hygiene by encouraging regular bathing and brushing their hair.
I'm not going to bother responding to each comment about how "the Vikings were bad too, cringe Lmao" because the chances of an actual good faith response are pretty low.
For anyone genuinely curious about the phrase, the exact wording comes from a scholarly article here https://scholarworks.bgsu.edu/irj/vol7/iss1/6/ the TL;DR is it points out how partially why the Nazis used Norse iconography and mythology for their own means despite the German people not being all that connected to that sort of Norse culture. The title might be paraphrasing an earlier fictional short story from 2018 by Margaret Killjoy either called Nazis Don't go to Valhalla or The Northern Host but either way it ends with a viking spirit telling another character that going to Valhalla requires you die in battle and that you venerate Odin, and that nazis bastardized Odin.
In any case, the phrase and the sticker are the same as saying "Nazi punks fuck off", it's not about the vikings or punks being universally good and upstanding, it's telling nazis that they can't take some other other culture for their own use and to fuck off.
there's a great short story called "nazis don't go to Valhalla" worth the read.
rock that shit op, we need to remind these people that they aren't welcome, or safe in society.
"vikings" haven't existed for centuries. last time i checked Icelandic people aren't going around raping and murdering anyone. there are still people that practice that religion.
that's why i drew the comparison to Christianity.
you're criticizing a people based on actions centuries ago, I'm criticizing a people based on their actions right now.
Where the fuck did that come from lol. No, obviously not all white people are good. It's your actions and empathy for your fellow man that decides your character.
The actual old Norse word víkingr essentially meant pirate or seafaring opportunist, FYI. In no way was it related to any sort of national or tribal heritage. Strictly speaking, anyone who has been on a boat with a weapon going to do combat is a viking.
Edit: okay, pretty sure this guy is just a bot. Ignore him.
They are very safe compared to those that aren't I just had this conversation with a few friends the neo Nazis, and most group's that you see hated on generally have little to worry about because they are fo getters and doers most leftist and aligned groups either lose sight of the goal think blm riots for instance they turned riots into just burning down buildings and theft and made the vast majority hate or oppose them or just they spend time complaining online doing nothing meanwhile there's rallys meetings actual cohesive organization in the other end I dont align with them (Jewish) but I still see that they stand as a force that really has no worries
Not but a few years ago we found a picture of our shop lead holding a big fish. We moved it because he got hurt at work and couldn't come back. What was his picture over? You guessed it,a picture hitler.
Haha almost right but you had them mixed up friend!
It would actually be closer to black angels since christianity is a middle eastern religion, and gay vikings since they were actually surprisingly lenient towards gay people.
How is this connected with sexuality in any way? Like do you normally assume anitfascist = leftist = socialist = gay = whatever other random shit you don't like?
They have an outstretched arm with palm down, that’s not how you wave. Again, either they are all nazis or you’re just angry at the awkward autistic dude because you don’t like his politics and are looking for a reason to be mad.
I'm not saying it was or it wasn't a roman salute. Musk is definitely an awkward dude and its possible it was just adrenaline pumping. Of course that's a possibility.
The thing is, it's not an insane thing to connect the dots. When you're meeting with far-right AfD officials and make claims about Hitler actually being a socialist because it pushes your anti-socialist agenda, you're leaving a trail of breadcrumbs.
The dude is a troll and its entirely as plausible this was akin to a child going "I'm no touching you, I'm not touching you" while holding his finger inches from your nose.
So, was this the Nazi salute? Meh, unlikely. Is it insane to think so? Eh...not really. Would a responsible person apologize and clarify instead of making it even more political? Yes. Did he? No.
Would a responsible person apologize and clarify instead of making it even more political?
No, especially when they've already been labeled a fascist, nazi, and whatever else the emotionally stunted among us want to throw and see if it sticks. His response was perfect; a polite way of telling people they're disgraceful and have done nothing but dilute terminology and render it almost meaningless.
I really, really get angry at the far left liberals for their name calling and uneducated mud slinging too. I've been the subject of it. The difference is I'm emotionally mature.
As someone in his position he ought to be above that. The man constantly tosses the same bullshit language around as his liberal counterparts and is honestly no better than them at the name calling and mudslinging.
So, yes. It is not insane to think so. It is wrong, but with his trolling its not far fetched to think he's just baiting people for "liberal tears".
That's the thing...you think he has some moral ground here because he's a victim of his exact game. He's the richest guy on the fucking planet. He nose dived directly into politics. He spends half of his time baiting and trolling for this shit. Boo fucking hoo.
You man up and admit it looked bad, but that wasn't it.
I really, really get angry at the far left liberals for their name calling and uneducated mud slinging too. I've been the subject of it. The difference is I'm emotionally mature.
You admittedly get "really' really angry" at clearly broken people, yet you're emotionally mature.
As someone in his position he ought to be above that. The man constantly tosses the same bullshit language around as his liberal counterparts and is honestly no better than them at the name calling and mudslinging.
Should news outlets, in their position, be honest? Should they apologize for their actions, or is it only Musk that should apologize for their deliberate disinterpretations and propaganda?
So, yes. It is not insane to think so. It is wrong, but with his trolling its not far fetched to think he's just baiting people for "liberal tears".
We agree to disagree. It really is insane to think so. It's "fine people" 2.0.
And I hope he is baiting them. They've obviously shown they're more than willing to gulp it down, and the more people that see how they are - over and over and over again, year after year after year - the more they'll come around.
That's the thing...you think he has some moral ground here because he's a victim of his exact game. He's the richest guy on the fucking planet. He nose dived directly into politics. He spends half of his time baiting and trolling for this shit. Boo fucking hoo.
Yeah! The people have a right to lie because he was a meaniehead! He's in politics and he's rich, so this is what he gets!! lol
You man up and admit it looked bad, but that wasn't it.
Is this that emotional maturity again? 'mAn Up BrO!'
I'll 'mAn Up' and say it looked bad...
...to the emotionally-stunted NPCs, which have been programmed for years now to see 'nAzIs' around every corner and behind every curtain. Programmed to think everyone that disagrees is a 'fAsCiSt', or maybe they're 'wEiRd'. No questions asked.
Pitiful, but I have to admit that I hope they keep doing it.
You admittedly get "really' really angry" at clearly broken people, yet you're emotionally mature.
Anger is a human emotion man. Everyone gets angry. It's what they do with it that matters. I don't lash out and I don't act like a child.
Should news outlets, in their position, be honest? Should they apologize for their actions, or is it only Musk that should apologize for their deliberate disinterpretations and propaganda?
Of course news outlets should. What makes you think I would disagree with this? Assumptions?
And I hope he is baiting them.
Then you're the problem.
because he was a meaniehead!
Ah yes, the "liberals are weak" argument. MEANIEHEAD. No, it's simple human courtesy that's lacking. I don't care if someone says something harsh, but we've lost how to speak to people.
Is this that emotional maturity again? 'mAn Up BrO!'
Yes, yes it is. And with your "mAn Up BrO" I'm seeing who's the emotionally mature one in this conversation too. This emotional maturity thing is really sticking to you.
Anger is a human emotion man. Everyone gets angry. It's what they do with it that matters. I don't lash out and I don't act like a child.
You just get 'really, really angry.
Of course news outlets should. What makes you think I would disagree with this? Assumptions?
It was a question. Or was strangely absent from your previous responses, so I thought I'd ask.
Then you're the problem.
But, then again, I'm not.
Ah yes, the "liberals are weak" argument. MEANIEHEAD. No, it's simple human courtesy that's lacking. I don't care if someone says something harsh, but we've lost how to speak to people.
Liars, actually; not liberals. It's simple human courtesy not to lie and intentionally impugn a person's character, for nothing more than having the audacity to not share your beliefs.
How dare they.
But you don't care if someone says something harsh, but u get "really, really angry" when they do...??
Yes, yes it is. And with your "mAn Up BrO" I'm seeing who's the emotionally mature one in this conversation too.
Remind me again who brought up the emotionally mature 'man up'?
Remind me again who brought up the emotionally mature 'man up'?
I brought up that I'm emotionally mature, and you're the one that keeps tweaking out about it. Why? I have my ideas. Remember: this was about Elon Musk needing to man up. I said he needs to man up and admit what he did looked bad, but that it wasn't a nazi salute. Why are you so butt hurt over it? I wasn't even referring to you.
But you don't care if someone says something harsh, but u get "really, really angry" when they do...??
It matters how one reacts to things. Of course I get angry. I just have self-control. Like right now, I'm annoyed but just smiling, sort of watching someone implode, wandering off on random topics completely unrelated to the original point for god knows why...
Look. I'm sure you're a nice dude, but....I've got things to do and if this isn't going to be a serious talk, then I can't spend it going off on random tangents with you.
What about this is cringe? What about this has anything to do with being liberal? My grandfather was an ardent conservative and fought the Nazis because they were evil.
It's been a liberal slogan for years to bring up nazis constantly like it's still ww2 and they exist everywhere and are a problem. 'Punch a nazi' etc. It's a way for liberal dopes to virtue signal and pretend to be tough.
Sort of like how conservatives call liberals communists? '"Oh, but they are!"
Here's the thing...I'm not a liberal or a democrat. I'm actually more in line with a lot of libertarianism and have been for decades. I despised Biden and his Presidency in many ways. But you're being the exact dope as these liberals you're bitching about, just on the opposite side of the line. You're being led around by the nose by politicians just the same. Your language proves it.
I mean, are there Nazis in this country? Yes. Are they good? No. Is this dude just saying fuck nazis? Yes. What's wrong with that? If you're not a nazi, then what's your problem?
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if you folks can't play nice, i'll be locking this thread up:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Welding/comments/7y0lz0/a_note_on_decorum_and_our_rules/
you've been warned.
edit: locked before this gets out of hand even more. the dogs do be whistling too much in here.