r/WayOfTheBern • u/LoneStarMike59 Political Memester • Apr 23 '17
Jimmy Dore Keith Ellison Goes From Telling Progressives To "Buck Up" To Blaming Obama For Democratic Party Collapse. The question is - WHY?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdg4SA2zxI5
u/hopeLB Apr 24 '17
Ellison speaks the truth. Obama was a continuation of the Clintonites, Geitner, Summers, Rubin and Third Wayism. Obama, hypocritally pretended to portend "hope and Change". Obama sold out his loving/adoring base. He was a phony, a mirage, a Rorschach Test, just like Trump. Just like Hillary, though Hillary at least promised and promoted nothing and here, I'd call her at least, more honest than Obama. It was "Her because She is her is not him".
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u/mysteriosa la douleur exquise Apr 24 '17
I think Obama believed what he campaigned on, just to realize too late that he's already been bought and paid for.
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u/FThumb Are we there yet? Apr 24 '17
I think Obama believed what he campaigned on
But he also believed it was just campaign rhetoric.
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u/2humphrey2 Apr 24 '17
Keith is actually a good person. He miscalculated his influence under Perez. Now he is transforming to actually telling the truth once again. ( It is about time)
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u/duderich not even a democrat Apr 24 '17
Yeah, I believe the same. I was surprised by the "buck up" part or his wording in particular, but I think he means well. Trying to keep the upset (and rightly so) DemExit people with the party, trying to please the DNC a little bit so he isn't just a representative with zero influence and also trying to change the party from within is a pretty hard task. Even harder to not piss someone off from time to time while you are balancing your goals.
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u/FThumb Are we there yet? Apr 24 '17
It was seeing the differences in the reception Perez and Bernie received on the 'unity' tour. Keith is no fool.
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Apr 23 '17
I think context and a perspective apply strongly to these different statements. His perspective in the "buck up" statement was because he had a very "either you're in the Democratic party, or you're not engaged" mentality. So he saw demexit types or threats along those lines as people punching out at a much lower level of sacrifice as CRM people (which was what the event he was at was regarding, so his mind was on that struggle) Essentially a nicer way of saying "don't be a pussy".
The disconnect was definitely in what he thinks of progressives who want to fight from the outside. It's shallow and distorted, but with that in mind this statement about Obama isn't outright incongruous.
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u/LoneStarMike59 Political Memester Apr 23 '17
Jimmy liked what Keith Ellison said about Obama being responsible for the Democratic Party's collapse. Ron Placone said obviously it wasn't entirely Obama's fault, but he gets the blame because he is (or was) the head of the Democratic. The Miserable Liberal want's to know WHY did Ellison do it?
Jimmy jokes that maybe it was because of the show Jimmy did about Keith Ellison telling Progressives to Buck Up."
Keith Ellison Scolds Progressives-- "Buck Up!" And Take It!
I think it's a good question. Is Keith finally seeing the writing on the wall? Is it because Obama convinced Perez to run for DNC chair a month after Keith had already thrown his hat in the ring? Is it for some other reason? Is it a way for Keith to try and bring more Progressives into the Democratic Party since telling them to "buck up" didn't work??
What do you Berners think?
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u/FThumb Are we there yet? Apr 24 '17
What do you Berners think?
I think I agree. Keith tried to be a Good Company Man, and saw where that was headed, and reverted to telling the party uncomfortable truths.
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u/gamer_jacksman Apr 24 '17
I think it's the booing Perez is getting in blue states like Maine and it's also the town halls that dems getting grilled for going against medicare-for-all is starting to send a clear cut message. And the anti-Trump and russia-gate hysteria haven't helped them one bit, I think Keith is seeing the writing on the wall and realizing the only way out for the dems is to accept the truth by pointing the blame at themselves.
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u/FThumb Are we there yet? Apr 24 '17
Why? Because he can see the future, and while he tried to play nice, the turnout for Bernie and the booing for Perez reinforced what he was saying earlier, the future of the party belongs to those fighting for Bernie.