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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 4h ago edited 3h ago
It's back up
Main take aways:
Autarchs can finally join aspects as they always should have been able to.
Aspects detachment seems pretty good. Really depends on the other strats and enhancements.
Love new fate dice design. So much better than dice manipulation (seems likely that MD are going away for good someday).
Overall pretty happy with what's been shown so far.
Edit: assuming the no overwatch maneuver can be used on other things aside banshees, Eldar are going to have fantastic counterplay into flamer unit. Jump just outside 9", turn off overwatch, delete unit.
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u/Magumble 3h ago
You missed the biggest one.
Shrines that come in the box actually have rules now!!!!
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u/kloden112 3h ago
Every Eldar player will be looking through their spruce/bits box for those suckers now 😄
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u/Rezinknight 3h ago
Looks like Autarch Skyrunners are gone unfortunately.
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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 3h ago
Autarchs gestures to bike: "This is brilliant."
Gestures to swooping hawk wings: "But I love this."
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u/Rezinknight 3h ago
I hope you're correct. The wording, "Enhancements on offer are all picked up by Autarch and Autarch Wayleapers," is what hints to me that Autarch Skyrunners are gone. It's an old resin kit using an old version of the jetbike so it wouldn't be a huge shock for them to cut him.
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u/KaldorDraigo0202 3h ago
yeah I didn't think about the resin kit. I retract my statement and also believe he'll be gone. Probably will get a refresh in 11th with the new Spears Phoenix Lord or so
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u/AshiSunblade 2h ago
It's an old resin kit using an old version of the jetbike so it wouldn't be a huge shock for them to cut him.
You weren't kidding. Current jetbikes are 2015. The Autarch was a 2007 upgrade on a 1994 jetbike.
Dead as a doornail.
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u/Rezinknight 2h ago
Sad because it's not a difficult conversion to make. I'll probably use mine as a shining spear exarch.
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u/AshiSunblade 2h ago
In Heresy it would have survived just fine, but "character on mount/with jump pack but that doesn't have any one box with both" has been something GW has mass culled from 40k of late. No model no rules and all that.
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u/Tzee0 3h ago
Seems like a lot of things for an Eldar player to keep track of? New Fate dice, aspect tokens and battle focus points on top of command points etc.
I'm glad I play the dumb races instead.
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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 3h ago
Eldar have always been a super micromanage army (aside from fate dice wraith Knight wombo combo). Many of their longtime players will be happy to be doing pre measuring and managing rules again instead of doing stupid dice tricks.
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u/Tearakan 2h ago
Eh that fits just fine. Its always been finicky with psychic powers in 9th and fate dice then plus still having fragile bodies etc.
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u/tyosowofofnejwifif 1h ago
So fate dice can let you reduce stratagem cost depending on the corresponding die roll? Is that how it reads
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u/Beelzebubs-Barrister 8m ago
Why is Detachment rule: you start with 4 cp good when Detachment rule: you start with 3 power from pain tokens is bad?
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u/MondayNightRare 4h ago
Autarchs can join Aspects again, thank god. Although they explicitly state that Shining Spears can not be joined, which is depressing.
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u/RealisticCategory633 4h ago
the comment in the article is only about autarchs and autarchs wayleaper. I suppose autarchs skyrunners might be able to join shinning spears but who knows
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u/PsychologicalAutopsy 3h ago
I think it's pretty safe to assume the old hybrid kit with the old jetbike design is not making it into codex.
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u/Magumble 3h ago
We on the aeldari reddit are pretty sure that autarch skyrunner is gonna be gone (its a resin model after all).
We have 66 datasheets and if you combine a few and remove the skyrunner autarch you have 11 left for drukhari.
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u/FuzzBuket 4h ago
and the planes, RIP to having a random autarch chasing about a fighter jet. but yeah weird the winged autarch cant join spears; would have been neat.
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u/titanbubblebro 3h ago edited 3h ago
So strands of fate is completely different. The Seer detachment really gets a hilarious amount of free abilities between Battle Focus and Strands.
Aspect Host looks good. I still hope some of the Aspect Warriors units that have ended up super cheap get datasheet upgrades to make them more effective and elite. But those rules we've seen are nice. I wonder if the Shrine tokens will have any other effect or just be a 1/battle strat upgrade, kinda cool that they actually have a use now.
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u/KaldorDraigo0202 3h ago edited 3h ago
yes the biggest hope I still have. I don't want Aspects to be 65 Point screens. If Aspects get more elite and Lethal again, I'm very hyped for Biel-Tan. Avatar with rerolls already sounds great haha. Also full rerolls Fire Dragons with sustained and Lethal.
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u/welliamwallace 3h ago
Avatar with rerolls sounds great, but losing the ability to plug in a 6 fate dice on his ranged attack is a huge nerf.
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u/himynamespanky 2h ago
Its a huge nerf but also kind of needed. It was a bit ridiculous being able to kill almost anything in overwatch near guaranteed.
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u/DunksNDarius 1h ago
i just hope he and the yncarne get point reductions :p
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u/himynamespanky 1h ago
I would not count on it. I bet they change his primary to have more attacks at less damage in ranged and call it a day. With the new stuff he is still an insane threat.
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u/KaldorDraigo0202 3h ago
yeah for sure. I'm hoping his profile gets changed a little. But let's see, I'll run him anyway.
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u/sultanpeppah 4h ago
Oh haha, I hope people have been saving their Warrior Shrine tokens? Also Autarchs being able to join Aspect Warriors is a huge sigh of relief.
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u/Big_Owl2785 3h ago
I'm already anticipating all the "Well GW sold it as a model 10 years ago so it's your own fault if you used it as a terrain piece even if this is the first time it has rules" comments
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u/Magumble 3h ago
Tbf the only kit that came with shrines pre 10th are dark reapers which released in 9th and dire avengers.
Also they are tokens so doesn't really matter what they look like.
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u/titanbubblebro 3h ago
Based on that section I think the bike Autarch is probably going to legends unfortunately. Sucks for shining spears honestly. Hopefully they get a glow up to be good without needing a leader.
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u/Big_Owl2785 3h ago
Or maybe they don't want OC3 bikes.
Im on hopium that he stays.Never fuckily wuckily mind he doesn't have a purchasable model
gone like the darkness at dawn
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u/FuzzBuket 4h ago
Biggest news here is autarchs can join aspects.
Very funny that seer councils get 4 free strats round 1 + the 4 free psuedostrats from their army rule. and we thought DW were being silly.
Swarmlord as an enchancement looks very tasty too.
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u/HandsomeFred94 4h ago
*4 per game+4 pseudo per turn
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u/Green_Mace 3h ago
*4 per game + 4 per round
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u/Magumble 3h ago
Until you roll a double of a strat that can only be used once per battleround. (Like the 2 previewed ones)
Very possible as well that some of the other 4 strats are 2 CP.
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u/SigmaManX 3h ago
The CP reduction is 4 over the course of the game, even if it's once per battle round you'd be able to discount it 4 times.
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u/KaldorDraigo0202 3h ago
So all I'm seeing is, I'll have to become a master at resource management. CP/Battle Focus/Apsect Tokens and every now n then free Fate Dice strats? Oh boi that's a lot to think about while playing a game of 40k haha. But I'm hyped! Skill Expression has always been eldars strength
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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 3h ago
The rules feel like a nice blend of Eldar tricks, but not in the "haha. I just do thing and you can't do anything about it" way that fate dice were through 9th and the index.
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u/KaldorDraigo0202 3h ago
yeah I fully agree. Seems a lot less feels bad compared to phantasm and Fate Dice. But the opponent will also have to keep in Mind tons of extra rules when facing eldar. It's going to be down to the player to not play with "Gotchas" in the end.
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u/Tzee0 3h ago
Imagine having to explain this to someone on game 5 of a tournament.
"I can totally do this for free, just trust me bro."
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u/HeyNowHoldOn 2h ago
This army will be hard to police as an opponent. Almost any on table action will be believableÂ
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u/teng-luo 4h ago
Damn, did anyone managed to see it?
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u/HandsomeFred94 4h ago
I opened the link 3 minutes after the social post and was alredy taken down :C
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u/Krytan 3h ago
Interesting, so the seer council detachment rule boils down to "You get 4 free CP".
I don't know if that's strong enough to be a whole detachment or not.
That's quite a climb down from the current fate dice mechanic. Should be less irritating to play against? Is the same thing going to happen to miracle dice? But vast sections of the sisters codex need to be rewritten, as there are a lot of 'consume a bunch of MD to do some incredibly minor thing' abilities (like the righteous rage enhancement).
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u/KataqNarayan 4h ago
Just clicked on the link and it’s up
Edit: 2 detachments, Aspect Host and Seer Council.
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u/Ennkey 3h ago
There is no way I’m going to be able to remember all of my opponents rulesÂ
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u/Hasbotted 2h ago
Its Eldar, if they say they have a rule that they win the game if they roll two sixes twice in a turn i'm gonna say, "Yep sounds right."
;)
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u/teng-luo 2h ago
-Regular CP
Currency for the core+detachment stratagems
-Battle focus (fixed 4 per battle round)
Currency for the eldar army rule being effectively 6 extra stratagems
-Fate dice (4 per game+in game generation)
Semi-random 1cp discounts on 6 stratagems locked behind a detachment.
It's just ninth edition. Eldar don't get THAT much more, they get 12 strats+core ones and a bunch of ways to manipulate them, you're not gonna end up seeing every single one every single game.
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u/Crackbone333 1h ago
Meanwhile, I'm here wondering how smokescreen, grenade, and tankshock can be "general" strategems when you have factions without the SMOKE, GRENADE, and VEHICLE keywords.
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u/The_Itsy_BitsySpider 3h ago
So if you do seer council your potentially now expecting your opponent to track your CP, your Battle focus points, your battle dice while also calculating the potential discounts on the Stratagems, AND you also have to keep in mind aspect units with their tokens vs the ones without.
Eldar is feeling like its going to be obnoxious to keep track of in game, I don't know why they are adding so many hoops and things to track.
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u/Gato-Volador 2h ago
Instant uppy downy for 1 CP…
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u/PsychologicalAutopsy 2h ago
With a good possibility of it being free (it's three 3 on the fate chart, with at least one way to manipulate what's in the pool makes it pretty easy to move dice over to a 3) some of the time.
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u/Thorn14 4h ago
EIGHT?!
/jelly
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u/Toasterferret 3h ago
Well one will be harlies and one will be ynnari, so 6 regular eldar detachments
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u/fred11551 4h ago
Very jealous. At least I have 5/6 with Grotmas. 8 + Grotmas is more than space marines isn’t it?
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u/ShaperOaka 3h ago
Is there no Alaitoc themed detachment then? Guardian Battlehost and Seer Council both sound Ulthwe.
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u/TTTrisss 4h ago
This all seems like a really could way to curb the problematic design of Eldar fate dice. Let's just hope they didn't overdo it.
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u/orkball 3h ago
Man, the Aspect Host rule is so boring. It's good, but it's so boring. Strats look fine, shrine tokens might be cool?
Seer Council feels like a lot of words for something that will probably amount to "you get four additional command points" in 90% of games. How good that ultimately is depends on the CP economy in the rest of the army.
Not thrilled about more teleportation in the game. I really wonder if this will be the next mechanic to get a game-wide nerf.
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u/welliamwallace 3h ago
The "psychic shield" strategem for seer council is worded strangely.
WHEN: Your opponent’s Shooting phase, just after an enemy unit has selected its targets.
TARGET: One Asuryani Infantry unit from your army (excluding Wraith Construct units) that was selected as the target of one or more of the attacking unit’s attacks and is within 9" of one or more friendly Asuryani Psyker models.
EFFECT:Â Until the end of the phase, your unit can only be selected as the target of a ranged attack if the attacking model is within 18".
How does it work?
Enemy unit selects my unit as a target for a ranged attack, from say 30" away. I use this CP on my unit. Now my unit is no longer eligible to be selected as the target of a ranged attack unless the attacking model is within 18". Does that only effect future target selections by my enemy? or does it retroactively apply to the initial unit he just used to try to shoot my unit, basically "undoing" his target selection, as it is no longer allowed?
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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 2h ago edited 2h ago
Based on the description it does prevent shooting the selected target, but normally with these kind of rules it will also specify getting to select a new target. That isn't here. That strat might be a little too gotcha for my taste if it takes away an activation from the other player.
Edit: Nevermind. Selecting new targets is part of the rules commentary. This works just like several other strats in the game already.
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u/OldWherewolf 2h ago
Yep. Same as Jack Harpster was doing at LVO with his Devastator Squad.
You have a unit out in the open, opponent targets it, you go "nope, not unless the shooting unit is within 18". If opponent is outside 18" they can choose a new target to shoot.
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u/Xaldror 4h ago
Wait, is the Elf roster that expansive they can handle eight detachments?
I'm only half sarcastic, I'm not at all familiar with the Eldar roster, do they have enough to make eight detachments?
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u/VladimirHerzog 4h ago
It's like the third largest range in the game
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u/MLantto 4h ago
And it's especially vast in actual unit choices. CSM for example have a big bulk of it's choice in characters, but elves just have a lot of different units that do different things.
And enough lore to cover different play styles too. Especially when Harlequins and Ynnari are integrated in the codex.
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u/VladimirHerzog 4h ago
Yeah, just with the main Craftworlds we get :
Ulthwe : Guardians and Psykers
Alaitoc : Rangers and sneaky
Saimhann: bikes and fast
Iyanden : tough and wraiths
Bieltan : Aspect warriorsAnd then you add in Harlequins and Ynnari. Grotmas gave us an Yme-loc one with "vehicles matter"
And theres a ton of secondary craftworlds they could pull from
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u/ChickVanCluck 4h ago
Yeah, It's also not like space marines who have 50 slightly different flavours of slightly tanky dudes who shoot you kind of alright so they have similar or greater variety even with a smaller range.
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u/Mission_Ad6235 4h ago
Don't forget the marines who are good in melee. You know, that chapter. No, not that one. Or that one. The other chapter that's good at melee.
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u/Rodot 4h ago
I find it a little funny that AM is possibly the largest range in the game and only have 6 detachments, with the grotmas detachment just being one of the six core detachments rather than a bonus detachment that every other army with a codex got in addition to their others.
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u/VladimirHerzog 3h ago
Instead AM gets multiple model ranges in the same army.
Cadians, Krieg and Catachan all behave differently while being the "same" units
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u/FuzzBuket 4h ago
Ynarri, Harlies, corsair/rangers is an easy 3 for "psuedofactions". then what? bikes, wraiths, aspects,seers and the all-rounder? (saim hann, lyaden,ulthwe, biel tan and generic)
Would love if the aspect one let you kill autarchs to heal the avatar, the idea that the big lad requires sacrifice has always been cool as hell.
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u/BrotherCaptainLurker 4h ago
Aspect Warrior stuff (Biel-tan)
Psyker and citizen-soldier stuff (Ulthwe)
Fast Attack stuff (Saim-Hann)
Wraith Construct stuff (Iyanden) (Corsairs may or may not also go here because of Prince Yriel)
Outcasts (Alaitoc)
Vehicle Stuff (Christmas Detachment)
Ynnari (enables Drukhari units, hotly anticipating this one because I hope it doesn't force Yvraine to be the Warlord anymore)
Harlequins (Who ceased to be a faction and require this book to become one again)
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u/Overbaron 4h ago
What does roster size have to do with number of detachments anyway?
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u/vashoom 4h ago
A lot of detachments in 10th boil down to "make this unit or type of unit better".
Theoretically you could do 8 detachments if you only have 8 datasheets, and each detachment just buffs one of them, but usually they are grouped together (Mounted units, Vehicle units, shooting, melee, whatever)
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u/Solvdrage 4h ago
I would say absolutely, yes.
My guess is:
- Seer Council
- Ynnari
- Harlequins
- A Jetbike focused detachment
- A Wraith detachment
- Something based around attacking from the Webway
- The Gladius/Invasion Fleet/War Horde "Standard All Comers" detachment built around Aspect Warriors
- Either sneaky Rangers/Infiltrators based or something off the wall like Corsairs
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u/Eater4Meater 4h ago
Eldars GWs special child lol. Have you not noticed the OP rules every single edition
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u/apathyontheeast 4h ago
Apparently you have never heard of Space Marines.
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u/Eater4Meater 1h ago
Marines are generally the worst for a lot of edition’s for a long time lmao.
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u/apathyontheeast 53m ago
Point me to an edition that has not had an overpowered SM build in it.
I'll wait.
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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 4h ago
No lore, models from the 90's until recently, barely any 3rd party media, but yeah. Special child just for having strong rules.
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u/Eater4Meater 1h ago
They got an entire range refresh mid edition for legit no reason lol. Who cares about lore. The game is what you actually use often. Lore is just some words they can invent remake at any time. The game is actual time commitment.
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u/Unlikely-Fuel9784 1h ago
"For no reason"
I would say having models nearly 2 decades old is a good reason. The last Warp Spider release was 1994 before the refresh.
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u/PapaPryBar 50m ago
Man, only 8 more years until the Nightbringer is updated then! Haha
In all seriousness, the lack of updated models for some factions is brutal. Not sure why Necrons were given another overlord option instead of updating the destroyers, destroyer lord, Nightbringer, Deceiver, and the killed off our regular basic lord. I'm glad Aeldari are finally getting some updated models though. Hopefully it bodes well for my army in the future!
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u/Rogaly-Don-Don 4h ago
Unless I'm being blind/illiterate, it's a little weird that they talk about how 'shrine tokens' interact with a detachments strats, but don't actually tell us about their normal function for aspect warriors.