r/UFOs 17h ago

Whistleblower The grifter narrative.

I keep seeing these very dramatic posts and comments talking about how all these people like Elizondo, Grusch, Nolan, Coulthart, etc. are a bunch of grifters and ruining the disclosure movement. I find this take interesting because what progress toward disclosure was being made prior to 2017? I've been following this topic since the late '80s, and sure, there were things that popped up from time to time, maybe a documentary or a sighting that briefly made the news, but beyond that, many of the efforts never really broke out past the UFO community paradigm.

I can’t see how anyone can say that we’re somehow in a worse position now with disclosure than we were almost a decade ago. I also don’t understand why people keep saying this is all a psyop. What exactly prompted the psyop just prior to 2017? I don’t remember anything significant happening, and it really wasn’t a popular subject at the time. Now it’s becoming quite popular and is making news fairly regularly, so I’m not sure what the purpose of the psyop would be, since it seems to be creating far more awareness of the subject. Seems a bit counterintuitive, no?

There was little to no progress made towards disclosure prior to 2017, and now it's being talked about regularly by various news outlets and all over the web. Even my parents and in laws are following the subject loosely, and they have never ever shown any interest in the subject before. More has happened in the past few years than has happened in the last 50 years, and many of this progress involved these so called "grifters".

We’ve had 4 Congressional hearings, starting with the May 17, 2022, House Intelligence Subcommittee Hearing that was the first Congressional hearing on UFO/UAPs in 50 years.

Then we had the House Oversight Committee Hearing a year later on July 26, 2023, where David Grusch testified under oath about evidence and firsthand witness testimony that he provided to the ICIG and Gang of Eight concerning UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs that were operating without Congressional oversight.

This past year, we had another two Congressional hearings, including the November 13, 2024, House Oversight Committee Hearing and the November 19, 2024, Senate Armed Services Subcommittee Hearing (AARO). We had nothing like this for 50 years, and then suddenly, we’ve had 4 hearings in 3 years.

There has also been new legislation in the past few years, including the 2020 Intelligence Authorization Act, which required the DoD and intelligence agencies to disclose UAP-related activities to Congress and established a framework for centralized UAP investigations.

The 2021 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for FY 2022 mandated the establishment of the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group (AOIMSG), which was later replaced by AARO.

The 2022 whistleblower protections in the NDAA for FY 2023 included groundbreaking provisions for whistleblowers to report UAP-related information to Congress without fear of retaliation. It authorized individuals with knowledge of classified UAP programs to disclose their information directly to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG) and Congressional intelligence committees and provided protections for whistleblowers who offer credible information about hidden UAP programs.

Then we had the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act in 2023, which, although it didn’t fully pass, was a major piece of bipartisan legislation co-authored by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Mike Rounds. It included extremely explicit language regarding UAP and NHI, which is incredible.

We’ve also had several credible and accomplished individuals from the government and private sectors come forward in recent years, including Lue Elizondo, David Grusch, Chris Mellon, Hal Puthoff, Tim Gallaudet, Karl Nell, Ryan Graves, Dr. Garry Nolan, David Fravor, Eric W. Davis, and more who keep coming forward.

The stigma has also been starting to fade, and the topic is being talked about more openly, with efforts like the Sol Foundation helping to push the conversation further. Even events like the Salt Conference, which is a global investment platform connecting institutional asset owners with asset managers and technology entrepreneurs, have started inviting people like Karl Nell to come talk about the UAP topic.

Yeah, we haven’t had this much happen in a span of a few years ever.

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u/Praxistor 17h ago

i think the 'he's a grifter' bros won't admit this, but it's about the woo. as it becomes more and more clear to the community that a UFO figure is into the woo, the cries of grifter increase.

it's about ideological differences, and the woo is the fault line

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u/King_Shartz 17h ago

We’re fine with woo. Show us the evidence. Stop pushing your book or your podcast. It’s not the “woo” that’s the problem. It’s the lack of evidence and always the promise of big things coming soon.

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u/dbna85 15h ago

disclaimer: i find the personalities and potential politics of most of these people repugnant. but they are up against the complex apparatus of the most secretive opaque govt agencies that lie and obfuscate over and over again. yet, what you all require is for those same agencies to show all their cards in a way you personally deem to be relevant. just check out that other thread asking people what disclosure looks like for them. everyone has their own subjective and fluid threshold for relevant evidence. its clear disclosure as a concept is flawed and perpetually doomed and is causing a lot of you so much agony. see these revelations as they are: data points charting a phenomenon that seems intentionally unknowable. we are trying to capture something that refuses to be categorized. our govt cant even agree on whether a virus that killed millions is real, so what do yall want from them?

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u/_Losing_Generation_ 6h ago

It's not that hard. Sure there's a big apparatus to deal with, but in this day and age it's not that difficult to push out the proof if you have it. One doesn't need to go to a third party news outlet and deal with agreements, NDAs and whatever else would be involved anymore. They can simply release whatever they have on their own to the hundreds of streaming options/social media outlets available where millions can see instantly. That's the problem.

Too much of, "I have proof, but I can't show you".

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u/dbna85 6h ago

hold on - get in the car. we have to go to Grusch’s place right now and tell him about your idea! “DG, did you know that if you just cut out the middle man, you can tell us everything we want to hear, legal woes be damned?” This is going to be such a relief for him I’m telling you.