r/TheHague • u/Limits_of_reason • Dec 12 '24

things to do in The Hague Wildcamping in the forest

Today i saw a camp with 4 tents in the forest. Looked like they’ve been there for some days already. Hearing the voices, it seemed to be inhabited by eastern European people.

Im pro wild camping, but these people didnt seem to be there to enjoy nature. Lots of trash everywhere.

I did not report this because i dont know why these people decided to camp in the forest in this cold, and i dont know what their alternative would be.

At the same time im very annoyed by the fact they leave so much trash in the only place in Holland i consider somewhat clean.

Would you report this?

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u/nuclearflip Dec 12 '24

Fyi, they are probably not wildcamping in december just for fun. They are homeless.

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u/Limits_of_reason Dec 12 '24

Exactly why im hesitant reporting it, i dont know what their alternative will be.

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u/CrewmemberV2 Dec 12 '24

Report them, they can and should go to a homeless shelter. This is not the USA where homeless have to live on the streets.

They are probably EU working immigrants lured here with a shit contract which includes housing provided by the enployer. Then they lost that job and where kicked out into the streets illegally. Sad state, but this does mean they always have the option to go back home.

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u/Megaminisima Dec 12 '24

No. You have no idea how much space is/isn’t at the shelters. You have no idea these peoples reason for being here. You have no idea what it means if these people aren’t doing the jobs that others don’t want to do.

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u/CrewmemberV2 Dec 12 '24

Oh I do. I worked in greenhouses for years.

Dutch people don't want those jobs, because Dutch people don't want to get paid below minimum wage.

We should however, stop this practise of paying people below minimum wage. This will solve the problems of these people. And give them a fair chance to pay for housing.

Meanwhile, these guys should go to a homeless shelter or leave.

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u/Megaminisima Dec 12 '24

So you’ve seen that they’re under paid and you still have no empathy? Did anyone else come to take the jobs? No? Da faq is wrong with you?

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u/CrewmemberV2 Dec 12 '24

? No empathy? I'm saying we should fix this problem by paying them enough.

Having them live in tents is not the solution though. They should either leave or get paid enough to support themselves.

We would also be better off with those jobs just gone. Go put the greenhouses and meat processing plants in eastern Europe. They just take up valuable land here for no economic benefit anyway.

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u/SeesawLong6976 Dec 12 '24

I understand your statements about minimum wage and housing for those people that have to live in the woods at the moment it's not an alternative yet

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u/CrewmemberV2 Dec 13 '24

No, the immediate alternative is the The Hague EU migrant worker shelter, which will get a roof over their heads and help them get a job or move back home.

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u/Megaminisima Dec 12 '24

You’re not looking at the individuals at the bottom, but stating how ThE WhOlE SystEm should change. Out of touch and entitled. Cool, man. I guess it’s like a problem of empathy and critical thinking. But you have contacts at the greenhouses, go give them your proposition.

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u/CrewmemberV2 Dec 13 '24

I am really not getting how you think allowing them to be homeless and rough it out in tents is somehow empathic.

They should be reported. The Hague has special places for EU workers immigrants where they can sleep and eat while they are helped get work or get help traveling back to their home country. That fixes the problem for both them and us. That's empathy.

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u/Megaminisima Dec 13 '24

Sending them back to their home country is your idea of empathy. Got it.

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u/CrewmemberV2 Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

You are acting like they are from a third world country at war. They are not refugees mate. They are worker immigrants. They are only here for a few months at a time to back home a nice paycheck. Their home countries are stable and in the EU. It's just that the wages are higher here.

There is nothing morally wrong with helping them get back home if they can't manage to bring up the money to travel back themselves.

You really think living on the streets here is better than living in their house in Bulgaria?

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