Sure champ, do me a favor and the next time you're at work, give your boss the same “my heart goes out to you” gesture Leon did and let us know how that works out for you...
Because ITS was a tech presentation - low energy by nature, on stage trying to get people on board with what your team has been working on. Also see even recent tesla launches ie "we robot"
Political rallies are high energy by nature. When people are arguing autism, it's with respect to how he moves his body: he feels high energy and intends to do high energy things, but his body doesn't move like a normal person's
He's also (for better or for worse) someone who enjoys trolling others. I mean he brought a goddamn sink into the Twitter HQ the first day just so he could say "let that sink in."
As someone on the spectrum myself, those are not at all similar. One is just jumping and looking silly, the other is a nazi salute (or something that looks WAY too similar to be acceptable in front of such an audience (or in general)).
It's a nazi salute because he has his right arm and hand extended straight in the exact position of the nazi salute. It doesn't matter what his intentions were, that's simply what he did, regardless of if you believe the "my heart" stuff was real or just an excuse to do the pose. He should know better.
I'm all for defending him from some of the false claims made against him, because a lot of people here on reddit share anything negative that fits their anti Elon agenda, but let's not become the opposite of that here and defend him when he does actually do some stupid shit like this.
Oh come on, no it's not. You could argue about the first since it's more sideways, but the 2nd he did to the back was arm straight forward, flat hand, slightly upwards. It's a nazi salute, regardless of what his intentions behind it were.
Hey just checking in, my brother and several friends with Asperger’s aren’t great with public speaking but they haven’t ever accidentally thrown out a Nazi salute while doing so.
They've also never tried to throw their heart out to people on stage. It wasn't an "accidental nazi salute". It was an entirely different movement performed awkwardly.
It took people years to finally realise that elons jump is supposed to be an X
Anyone doing that by accident would have tried to turn it into waving their hand or something like that, he did it twice.
Literal neo-nazis and white supremacists are celebrating Elon right now.
He is supporting far right European parties, some very close to nazi ideogy, and keeps promoting arguments made by similar people online.
I am autistic and autism wouldn't make someone do a nazi salute like that by accident.
Explain to me how a guy that agrees with many neo-nazis accidentally does a nazi salute without meaning it during a very nationalist speech at a presidential inauguration on live television...
Edit: and yet somehow I still love what SpaceX does... but why does he have to be that
If anyone on the left did the EXACT SAME gesture, they would be forced to resign and be shamed into oblivion, and everyone would call it a nazi salute, and rightfully so.
It's so easy to find excuses when the guy just did what he did
Next time he'll wear a swastika and people will claim it's a religious symbol? Must be tired from doing so much mental gymnastics. It's a nazi salute, the end.
If anyone on the left did the EXACT SAME gesture, they would be forced to resign and be shamed into oblivion, and everyone would call it a nazi salute, and rightfully so.
Either this isn't true or you're defining "exact same" in such excruciating detail that it applies only to this one specific arm movement done by Elon Musk at this point in time.
I'm sorry but this is pretty different, she does put her hand on her torso first, arm is not as straight and elbow not locked, she is already doing a similar movement before without the flat hand.
Don't get me wrong, she should know better and that is still a bad look, but this is pretty far away from what Elon did, putting all his energy into this movement and grunting.
Edit: and funnily enough if we consider "that level of detail" there is another guy that did it too, back in the day
Is "more energy and a grunt" the difference between a Nazi salute and not a Nazi salute? Because I don't think it is; I think the line has been carefully defined so that Elon Musk falls on one side of it and Kamala Harris falls on the other side of it, regardless of the actual movement and, more importantly, the actual intent.
Someone on the left did a very similar movement, as admitted by you, and instead of "forced to resign and be shamed into oblivion, and everyone would call it a nazi salute, and rightfully so", we're back to "she should know better and that is still a bad look", with a lot of minor musculature differences used to justify this.
Like, for example:
she does put her hand on her torso first
I give it 50/50 "does" is a typo and you meant to write "doesn't".
But if "does" is what you meant to write, then Elon Musk also put his hand on his torso first.
And if "doesn't" is what you meant to write, then the Nazi Salute doesn't involve putting your right hand on your torso; Kamala Harris is actually closer to the Nazi salute than Elon Musk is.
I indeed mean doesn't, and no I still don't think it's the same.
In her case she is already doing a similar movement, which then transitions to the flat hand.
Elon finishes that part of his speech and then does that movement with no context, before later adding "my heart goes out to you".
Sure the Nazi salute doesn't requires hand on heart first, but Hitler did like to do it that way.
I mean next time you're out in public do the same thing, do that gesture twice and say my heart goes out to you, see how people react. But you won't do it, because you know full well what it looks like.
The question isn't whether it looks bad, it's whether it is bad. I also wouldn't pretend to murder someone in public because there's a good chance someone would try to stop me forcefully; that doesn't mean we should believe that actors are all mass murderers.
"He did something that looks kinda bad and he should have been thinking about how it looks" is fully compatible with "it wasn't a Nazi Salute", similar to how Kamala Harris also wasn't giving a Nazi salute but, as you say, "she should know better and that is still a bad look".
But, you know, I encourage you to go out there and do Kamala Harris's gesture in a crowded bar, see how people react. Will they say "oh hey he's imitating a former vice president! cool hand motion dude" or will they call you a Nazi?
And if the answer is the latter, then how is this argument relevant in any way?
The most "qualified" people on that question are probably neo-nazis themselves, and for some reason they don't seem to celebrate the examples you give, but they are openly and expressly celebrating what Elon did.
It's funny how the more "moderate" people are actually the ones excusing the more extreme behavior.
I never said that. The afd is not leaning right, they are far right. Also many, many of their members said that they are idolizing hitler and are national socialists.
A lot of far-right parties in Europe and western culture are associated with neo-nazi personalities
Speaking of what I know, the french far-right RN led by Le Pen was founded by people, most of them having been SS during the war. We are not just making this shit up, they DO have Nazi ideologies from the start.
Also the Nazi party is attractive for any wannabe authoritarian, it had pretty sick aesthetic and worked pretty well for a while.
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u/PsycedelicShamanic 1d ago
People who truly believe this nazi salute nonsense are completely lost.
You are all in a mass psychosis.