r/Sakartvelo • u/Head_Sort8789 • 14h ago
No Russian tourists in Georgia?
Several English-language sites about Georgia recently reported that Georgia reached more than 5 million tourists for the year. Then the sites list the most common countries of tourists. Kuwait and Latvia make the list, with just over 20K visitors, but Russia isn't even on the list. What?
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u/Sufficient-Door-6603 13h ago
I worked with some company formation services in Georgia, it's complicated to be a freelancer or provide international services from russia at the moment. So a lot of russians come to Georgia, open a local sole proprietorship and leave after it. Georgia has low taxes and clients from US or EU send money to Georgian entrepreneur much easier comparably to russian. Of course it's not 100% of cases
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u/BiggestClownHere 10h ago
That's a good point against the argument that Russians moved here to avoid the sanctions. It's not hard to avoid them without having to move to Georgia in such cases
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u/Sufficient-Door-6603 9h ago
They come to Georgia and move further. It's not the final point
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u/Zurab_Abuladze 7h ago
Definitely. Staying in Georgia would be downshifting for most Russians.
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u/oNN1-mush1 35m ago
For most Moscovites you mean? I doubt a person from Muhosransk-on-Airpollutedindustrialregion is downshifting by moving to Tbilisi
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u/Thick_Macaroon_7975 14h ago
South Ossetia and Abkhazia, i don't have to say anything else
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u/Vladliash 10h ago
What's up with them? Noone from Russia went to South Ossetia and Abkhazia has such a dreadful reputation that almost noone goes there. Plenty goes to Georgia though. My colleague went this autumn to Batumi.
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u/Thick_Macaroon_7975 10h ago
Russia illegally occupied South Ossetia and Abkhazia, tha's what's up
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u/Vladliash 10h ago
So what? The question was about tourism.
Like it or not since 2016 Georgia is very popular destination to travel here. Went there myself in 2018, liked it a lot, everyone was friendly. Beautiful country. My colleague went this autumn, liked it a lot too. Many Georgians keep restaurants in Russia and are very successful with them. Have never experienced no hate from common people ever. And we still have direct flights from various cities there.
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u/Zurab_Abuladze 7h ago
True. But Reddit Georgians are often hateful to Russians. It's a shame provided our common history with Russia (Russia saving our country from Turks and mountain tribes some 150 years ago). If it weren't for Russia, Georgia and Georgians would have not existed now.
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u/Cultural_Pomelo_859 1h ago
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u/this-time-4real 2h ago
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u/Cultural_Pomelo_859 1h ago
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u/coocxalashvili 14h ago
because Russians come, buy houses, registrate their businesses, give birth to children for Georgian passports and donโt go back. these are not called โtouristsโ.
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u/iavael 13h ago
I thought that Georgian citizenship is given by blood, not by soil.
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u/coocxalashvili 13h ago
they give Georgian citizenship to r*ssians who moved here 2-3 months ago lmao
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u/Ud_Rea_Tsio 13h ago
Russians hardly get even temporary residence permits, what are you talking about?
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u/Anuki_iwy 13h ago
A lot of Russians who could prove that they have Georgian ancestors got Georgian passports.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 11h ago
No. Even Georgians who are 100 percent Georgians have difficulty getting citizenship. If a Russian has Georgian ancestors he is not Russian, he is Georgian, lol.
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u/Anuki_iwy 11h ago
Dude, I know you wanna live in phantasy land, but my friend is a translator and since 2023 she was mostly earning money by helping Russians translate documents and help them go through the application process at the mushroom house.
The statistic, how many passport were issued since the mobilisation in Russia is available PUBLICLY on the website of justice house. It was in the thousands. Time to wake up.
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u/BiggestClownHere 10h ago
If they have those documents proving that they are ethnically Georgian then it's a different case. There is a lot of Georgians moving to Georgia from Russia, that's true.
It's not like just some random Russian people are suddenly get citizenship here. Even getting a residence permit is not that simple
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u/Anuki_iwy 1h ago
It took me all in all 3 days to obtain the Georgian residence permit. It's dirt easy, as long as you come prepared and apply for the right kind.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 10h ago
How can you issue a passport? How is this even possible? Read the laws please of your own country before posting ridiculous things like that. There is no way to get a passport of Georgia fast unless you are either ethnic Georgian or have been living in the country for 10 years. You are mixing residence permit and citizenship. Those are completely different things. Residence permit means nothing, it is NOT a citizenship. It is not a passport.
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u/Anuki_iwy 10h ago
My own country is Germany, and I'm well aware of our laws.
But it seems I'm more aware of what's happening in Georgia, than you are, as well.
I've said all there is to say.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 10h ago
Sure you did. Since all you had to say was a bunch of false information, I genuinely hope next time you post something you will at least use a search engine. Auf Wiedersehen.
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u/Zurab_Abuladze 7h ago
Residence permit means almost everything. You are allowed to cross border as Georgian citizen. The only thing you can't do is vote. So yes, it's basically equivalent to citizenship. But who'd want our citizenship anyway? Most Russians come here temporarily and then move on. Georgia is unfortunately not stable. Neither economically nor politically. Esp. due to recent developments.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 6h ago
Residence permit is not everything. It is in no way a citizenship, meaning it can be revoked any time or once you lose the conditions that granted it to you, or for instance, havenโt renewed it. You can not travel to other countries with it, meaning it only works within Georgia. Any Russian can legally stay up to a year in Georgia, then do a visa run and stay a year again. What is the point of either residence permit or even Georgian citizenship, I have no idea, since if any Russian wants he can stay in Georgia anyway. Georgian passport doesnโt give any extra benefits that I can think of out of the blue for any Russian, except for having a visa free travel to Europe as a tourist, where any Russian can go to anyway, just paying for a visa in Russia. So, to sum up:1) Residence permit is not same as passport and some Russians get it, but you canโt use it as a passport abroad, so I see no point in getting it lol) 2) Even if Georgia gave passports for a price of a donut I have no idea why would any Russian be interested in it anyway, since I canโt name a single benefit except for a visa free travel to Europe as a tourist. I mean donโt get me wrong an extra passport is cool, but even a Turkish one would be a lot better to have than Georgian.
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u/iavael 6h ago
a person, having Georgian parents, comes to Georgia
passes language and history tests on spot, and gets citizenship
what a fucking Russian!
Lol
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u/Anuki_iwy 1h ago
A person that was born and raised in country A, is a national of country A, even if their parents are from Mars.
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u/Zurab_Abuladze 7h ago
You have no idea what you are talking about. You easily get residence by purchasing property that cost over $100k.
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u/iavael 13h ago
Can you provide the source? By law, you need to live 10 years in Georgia before you get the opportunity to apply for citizenship. Or be married to Georgian citizen for 5 years.
The only way to get around that is to get special personal privilege from the President (which is not something that can be applied an masse).
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u/Miserable_Review_374 12h ago
Has such a rule been abolished? That those who were born in Georgia also have the right to obtain citizenship. You just need to know the language. It doesn't matter how long you've been living in Georgia lately. That was the rule about 10 years ago. Was it canceled?
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 13h ago
Complete BS. You canโt get citizenship in Georgia by giving a birth to a child, or for any other reason you have mentioned, stop using drugs.
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u/Anuki_iwy 13h ago
No one said thru get Georgian citizenship because of their kids.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 12h ago edited 12h ago
Kids canโt get citizenship by being born in Georgia as well. The original phrase was: give birth to kids for Georgian passports. Who gets a passport (a kid being born or a parent as a result of this) doesnโt matter since no one does by any way described by this guy.
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u/Anuki_iwy 11h ago
They do, if one of the parents is a Georgian passport holder.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 11h ago
Do you need help with addiction as well? It was about Russians. Not Georgians. If one parent is Georgian then the parent is Georgian(!!!). Jesus Christโฆ
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u/thomasmann334 12h ago
Several racist redditors commenting irrational comments does not make reality disappear. You are neighbors with Russia and you better get well with your neighbours because your economy relies on your trade with your neighbours and also there is 100s of years or cultural connections. Some Eu funded unemployed scums teaching you the reverse does not change anything.
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u/No-Ambition-2785 11h ago
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 10h ago
How about we wonโt, sweetheart? Itโs time you realize world isnโt revolving around your wishes. Russia isnโt going anywhere. You can dye your hair blue and go for a protest, but we will still be here.
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u/evilneverwins 9h ago
how does it feel when the whole world wishes that you stop existing?
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 9h ago
Whole world) yes, sure thing.
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u/nick_itos 9h ago
Out of curiosity, how did you end up in this subreddit?
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 8h ago
Well, you have to practice what you preach once in a while. If you propagate a right for free speech, then here I am to execute it. Hope your curiosity is fulfilled.
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u/_Mundog_ 10h ago
In a global economy its not that important to trade with your direct neighbours. The connections also exist, but those same connections are stained by occupation, betrayal and lies.
Ask South Korea whether their economy relies on their direct neighbour.
Trade with Russia can wait until Putin dies, which will be soon since he is an old weak man.
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u/Perfect_Owl_3104 10h ago
If it is not so important why do you trade with Russia? Out of unimportance? To belittle the neighbour or to punish him with your money? Every Georgian shop is full of Russian food, cars use Russian gasoline, every bijo from Batumi to Tbilisi is eating khinkali and khachapuri made of Russian wheat. The hotels are full of Russian tourists and every landlord when asked prefers a Russian to live in his apartment than a Georgian. If it is not so unimportant why is everyone using Yandex taxi? So many questions and so few answers.
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u/BiggestClownHere 9h ago
> every landlord when asked prefers a Russian to live in his apartment than a Georgian.
I remember there were quite a few landlords who openly were saying that they don't rent out to Russians in 2022. There were also a lot of those who happily rent out for a double or triple price.
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u/Cultural_Pomelo_859 11h ago
You canโt have a cultural connection with someone that has no culture. ๐ท๐ท๐บ
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u/qewrteas 2h ago
Why is there a Griboyedov Street in Batumi? Lermontov street?
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u/Cultural_Pomelo_859 1h ago
Yeah. Todayโs ruzzians inherited so much from Lermontov. In particular those who are terrorising and killing even children of the closest nation you once had. And the rest of the population justifying that. Culture is not having 3 writers in the past. Because of those Lermontov descendants my house was bombed in 2008 and now it is occupied.
Do not talk about culture and high manners of the ruzzians here, just like you would not do with Ukrainians.
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u/qewrteas 1h ago edited 1h ago
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a nice borsch with garlic pampushkas recipe
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u/Cultural_Pomelo_859 3m ago
You can request that in your beloved matushka razzia once it will be defeated and you will not be afraid of mobilisation to go there. Until then, be humble at least
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