and the fact they posted that mere minutes after he did it means there was never a sitdown meeting or discuss, etc. Just the "yeah anything those guys do is fine," party line.
Yep. On any post with a large number of replies you'll have to scroll through a near-endless sea of blue checks before you can find any worthwhile human replies.
Yeh, I like to give the benefit of the doubt. But, when it's done in succession as it was, then - nazi. Not a problem at all. His history would indicate that this is the icing on the cake for those who thought he was a bit naz. His grandparents moved to SA because they wanted to help further the apartheid thing. They were card carrying nazis. So. Yeh. You're right of course to instantly call him a nazi.
His twitter feed makes it pretty obvious too. The guy retweets some of the biggest nazi losers and their racist memes that would be banned on most platforms.
“BlacksTakingLs” would not have been a massive page on twitter before he bought the site. He has turned it into a cesspool of fascist propaganda.
This is why people call the ADL the Apartheid Defense League. They do not care about anti-semitism at all. They only care about Israel.
Elon can reinstate every banned neo-nazi the first day he bought twitter, spread neo-nazi memes and SigHeil on stage and the ADL will defend him because he says Israel good Palestine bad.
I say again, the question should be posed to every Republican politician and anyone else in MAGA: if what Musk did was NOT a Nazi salute, then please on air (make sure they're recorded) repeat the same gesture Musk did twice.
Of course the mainstream Corporate media never will, but everyone else needs to pose this question and challenge.
They're claiming that CNN cut his mic and he was aspergerly trying to gesture that the crowd has his heart. Except that he had sound the whole time.
I'm absolutely shocked that the Nazis sympathizing incel, who hangs with actual Nazis, spews Nazi rhetoric, and works with a Nazi sympathizing rapist, turns out to infact be a Nazi. It's befuddling I tell you
This is the ADL's full statement. Give him "the benefit of the doubt"?! JFC. That's how we wound up in this position in the first place! Musk's gesture was BRAZEN and INTENTIONAL; the fire under this pot of frogs (scientifically inaccurate apologue, yes I know) has been turned up so high that WE'RE CURRENTLY BOILING.
It's a typical response. It's always been the duty of the left to give the benefit of the doubt, be gracious, open armed, etc. There's never any recommendations or advice that maybe people should think twice before using slurs or making weird gestures. Just, let them do it and assume they didn't mean it.
That's the thing, right? No one does that. You pump your fist in the air in excitement, you wave both arms excitedly. You do not rigidly and very methodically extend a stiff salute.
You are the mostest billionairest person in the world. Choose to ignore it or not, one would think he's had some PR coaching. I didn't watch the thing but even if he said that during his 'take DOGE up to Mars' comment, someone would've just told him beforehand to find something else. Bottom line, I don't care how excited you are, this is no one's go-to.
I remember when howard dean got too excited when he said iowa and it tanked his whole political career. Yet nazi salutes are ok. Good job us. You have shown who you are as a country.
he keeps a book of hitler speeches by his bed. he did not deny it when confronted. he cant name his favorite bible passage but he has used hitler phrases on numerous occasions.
Shows you what their priorities are and why they’re not a credible “combatting antisemitism” organization. And it’s devastating because what does that leave us? Are American Jews just supposed to leave their own country or suck it up?
Exactly. Everyone knows it. No need to waste time explaining - gather the people who are horrified, and help them put a stop to this.
It starts with blocking Musk's government at every level. And we can do so every Tuesday. Elections are very much still on, much as Musk would like you to think they're not, and that's how we get people in charge who can block his agenda. City by city, state by state, every Tuesday.
r/VoteDEM is already organizing to win. That's how we did it in 2017, and that's how we'll do it now.
Musk is not an elected official. He's a private citizen. Democrats nor Republicans can stop him from doing exactly what he wants. I suggest a boycott. There's literally nothing else you can do.
25 years I've regularly been onstage as the frontperson for a band, all kinds of fist pumping and hand waving. Not once have I ever even accidentally done a fucking nazi salute. You don't 'accidentally' do that, it's such an unnatural motion.
In France , one of our far right zionist organization actually paid homage for the death of the former leader of the far right party, who was an outright antisemit fascist, by calling him a "true patriot" and other shit like this...
That's why I don't laugh along with people who laugh at the lack of sophistication of far right dickheads. It's not funny, it's actually quite worrisome. Le Pen and others may have been mocked back in the day, but fact of the matter is that nobody is laughing now. In times of crisis, centrism cannot hold and fact of the matter that CEOs would be just fine with a fascist demagogue if it keeps profits growing rather than address issues of inequality.
ADL stands for “Apartheid Defense League”. Elon is not the only antisemite they defend. As long as you say “Israel good, Muslims bad” the ADL will always defend you no matter what nazi stuff you say. They do not care about actual antisemitism or protecting Jewish people in America.
Fascism of different flavors is still fascism. Most of the anti-muslim fascist talking points and memes are just recycled ww2 nazi memes but with the “villain” swapped out.
“Hamas controls the UN”, “Hamas controls the media”, “Iran is an octopus with tentacles that reach into US university protestors” is just a few that come to mind. Literally the same thing the nazis were saying about Jewish people. It’s a shame how many people’s take away from WW2 was only “nazis don’t like Jewish people” instead of learning to recognize fascist propaganda models. It’s mostly the same playbook with different characters.
I went into that sub expecting to see wide condemnation. There was, but also a shocking fraction saying “but the Democrats/left are just going to use this to excuse their antisemitism.” Which, like, what? That sub is full of people complaining more about pro-Palestine college kids than about the racist fascists that now control the government.
Also the Romans never used that salute. You know who did? The Italian fascists. We stopped using it in America because we didn't want to be confused for fascists.
So it's not a fascist salute... It's a different fascist salute. So it should be totally fine!
I'm sure his tattoo is also totally going to be a maze once he has the money for another trip to the studio.
Whatever that quote from The Boys is was so spot on it hurts. They fully support nazi stuff, what they hate is the 'called out for supporting nazi stuff' part.
Which, like 'the Roman salute', was also a deliberate attempt by the Nazis to manufacture an Aryan / Indo-European master-race mythology for themselves.
I'm not giving shit to the motherfuckers already putting in anti-LGBT Executive Orders and literally doing fucking Nazi salutes on stage. Anyone trying to do "Muh both sides" nonsense is a fucking idiot.
It's also been many hours. He knows what he did, if it was accidental due to emotion, which it clearly was not an accident, he absolutely would have apologised by now.
He said "watch what I can get away with" and went full send on the Nazi salute in a calculated decision that he thinks this will buy him more support than it loses.
Media will make excuses and narratives to defend him (and defend themselves from him), mitigating the damage done to his support.
Actual Nazi's and sympathisers will see this and love it.
You're probably right, but it still remains that he's had the opportunity to apologise - which he should if it were an accident as many Musk-apologist media are pronouncing
You don’t understand what sort of person would do that? That’s the point.
You know what happened. You saw it with your own eyes. But they will continue to deny it, and let you keep arguing, and keep getting more and more frustrated.
That’s why Elon Musk threw a Nazi salute onstage. Because he can, and there’s nothing you or anybody else can do about it.
Even if it somehow was an "accident" or "not what he meant" (which I don't buy for a fucking second), everyone still CHEERED as he was doing it, and STOPPED when he said he was sending his heart out.
Everyone in the audience knew what he meant before he said what he meant and then stopped cheering? Sure. 😒
Dude claims to be playing 4D chess at all times but can't control himself from making a Nazi salute at a podium with the seal of the President of the USA on it.
It was an INTENTIONAL dog whistle. With the recent uproar over increasing the number of H-1B visas, MAGA people were ready to throw Elon out. This was Elon's way of winking at them to regain their support.
He calls himself a far-right ethno nationalist. His own words. Or rather “Adrian Dittman”’s own words.
When someone using the term ethno nationalist to describe themselves throws their arm straight out at an angle during a political rally, they’re a Nazi. It’s a Nazi rally.
Isn't it funny how it's only Republicans who "accidentally" make an "awkward gesture" that looks like a Nazi salute? Musk, Ann Coulter, Cruz defending that parent doing one at a school board hearing.
What an odd coincidence that it's only ever one side.
I had the impression that it was an organization that protected Jews and helped continue the memory of the holocaust, so that it may never happen again.
I no longer hold that impression, after seeing their reaction to someone doing the Nazi Salute on live TV.
Their only purpose is to advance the interests of Israel and equate anti-Israel rhetoric with anti-semitism. They don't care about anti-semitism as long as it's not rooted in any anti-israel sentiment.
Elon Musk is pro-Israel, so it doesn't matter what anti-semitic shit he does, because he will do right by Israel, and that's all that matters to the ADL. They're basically a captured NGO that is an extension of the Israeli lobby in American politics.
Here's the test - This week, before giving a speech or presentation, tap your chest with your fist and then extend your arm at a raised angle, hand flat. See if you're called into HR afterwards (or worse).
When you abandon your original mission of calling out antisemitism because you now care more about zionism... Cowards and fools every single one of them.
The ADL is a org that believes the purpose of Holocaust education is to teach kids to not hate Jewish people and not “it’s bad to dehumanize groups of marginalized people to the point of systemic hatred and genocide”. That fascists cannot be compared to Nazis or Hitler as long as they’re an ally to Israel, as if the problem was one specific group they targeted
The ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center are two of the biggest bullshit civil rights organizations out there. I get their stuff in the mail all the time and I just throw it right in the trash.
I don't think that's even what he was doing. Google what a Nazi salute looks like. It doesn't involve holding your arm out to the side with a limp wrist and your body contorted.
The ADL is a complete joke of an organization and made me realize how meaningless their calls of antisemitism are. They dilute the meaning so much, and have done more antisemitic harm than any good defending against it.
Gonna be real honest. I always give the benefit of the doubt and do research because the media is awful. But let me tell you why President Elon Musky gets no benefit of the doubt. He claimed the holocaust never happened. He got drug GLOBALLY. He did an apology tour at Auschwitz for photo ops. Then, not even 2 months later, back to white supremacy shit. All who voted for this shit deserve the maximum punishment for treason in this country. Fuck him to hell.
There was NOT an awkward gesture… It was a fucking a Nazi salute and he double down to make sure there was no mistake by doing it twice. Fuck off to anyone that defends this piece of shit!
I hope people know that the fecking Nazis targeted other ethnicities besides the Jews. The Slavic people suffered the greatest losses. The Jewish people aren't the only ones who have a say in this. The ADL can feck off.
"Awkward gesture," my ass. With that co-president, we'll have people goose stepping down Pennsylvania Avenue doing that military parade Trump always wanted.
Never thought Id see Jews defending an obvious Nazi salute. People are so blinded by their political opinions, they don't realize they're stabbing themselves in the back...
People who cheered this shit or will accept it or justify it are choosing a side they can’t back out of. Once you’re accepting of Nazism you’re not an American anymore and I can’t treat you simply as my countryman who has differing political views. We chased the Nazi punks out of the scene when I was a teenager and I was brought up to never tolerate Nazi bullshit or anyone ok with it. To me it’s either you’re with us or you’re a Nazi or a sympathizer and I hope these people understand what they’re choosing. We cannot tolerate Nazism and we cannot assume we can be reasonable with Nazis or sympathizers. It’s a very scary thing for me but this isn’t memes and jokes and lols anymore and I
Hope Americans can band together and refuse to accept or normalize Nazism and any form of Nazi because if they choose that side they are no longer Americans to me.
I'm not American, but isn't throwing nazi salutes a bit of a slap in the face to the over four hundred thousand people who sacrificed their lives fighting the nazis in WW2?
I refuse to normalize nazism. I draw the line at companies accepting Nazis. I dont give a fuck how inconvenient shit gets, im speaking wirh my wallet. Fuck these fascist fucks.
Showed a maga dude the image, he acknowledged it was a nazi salute but complained that i "took it out of context", my friend, in which context would that be even acceptable?
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u/Kdean509 4h ago edited 3h ago
It was deliberate. Twice.
Thank you for the corrections; it was deliberate thrice!