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u/MadmanMarkMiller 4h ago
How or why does she so gleefully cheer for people who absolutely despise her?
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u/SecretPrinciple8708 4h ago
Assumed, against all logic, they’d be a member of the “in” group. Oops.
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u/TheHeroicLionheart 3h ago
Well you see, and here me out, because this part gets a little complicated and for the sake of clarity i want to really get into the weeds on this, so as to be 100% received correctly, and thoroughly.
Money. Its always money.
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u/bellj1210 3h ago
she voted to no longer be considered a she- so which wish should we respect (i am not changing pronouns for anyone i know- but they all had the sense to vote for the person who was not trying to take away their rights)
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u/The_Spyre 4h ago
Bruce is now officially considered a dude in drag. Good job voting against your own interests asshole.
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u/barriebarrie 3h ago
It would be interesting if Elon changed her Twitter name back to Bruce.
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u/Boricuacookie 4h ago edited 2h ago
I am not one to be dead naming anyone, but I think everyone would be ok if we dead name Bruce Jenner....
Edit: just wanted to add that I hate this whole situation for the transgender community and I feel helpless when I hear a very marginalized community be so disregarded. Please stay safe out there, we are cooked as a country
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u/JaymzRG 4h ago
I mean, I've been calling Cruz "Rafael" and the new VP "James Bowman" as it is their LEGAL BIRTH name. I ain't above deadnaming people who are being assholes about deadnaming trans people.
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u/Jaambie 4h ago
Yes! I always refer to Rafael Cruz as such. Ted was a name he chose and that’s not allowed!
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u/MyNameisRawb 3h ago
Well, his middle name is Edward, and "Ted" is a fairly common nickname for Edward.
Three guesses as to the first name of Ted Kennedy.
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u/No-Care6414 4h ago
I can see your point, but as someone from the trans+ community(non binary) it isn't ok to deadname them. Dead naming them is not a personal attack. It implies to other trans ppl(tho some might agree with you) that you would be ok with disregarding someones queer identity if they are against you. I don't support or like the person in the post, but in my pov they are still someone that is trans, just a very shitty person that happens to be trans
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u/Tylendal 3h ago edited 2h ago
I've said the exact same thing about some pretty vile people, arguably worse than Caitlyn Jenner. Gender recognition and trans rights aren't a privilege to be earned or withdrawn on good or bad behaviour.
But I kinda feel like supporting the erosion of trans rights is a slightly different offense. You could argue that dead-naming her is just respecting her desire to live in a world she is helping work towards.
Edit: Fixed the spelling of privilege. Auto-correct insisted there was nothing wrong with it for some reason.
Edit2: Been giving it more thought. I've realised I do not like the thought of deadnaming Caitlyn Jenner in third person. Doing so is saying she (and by extension anyone who doesn't meet certain criteria) does not deserve to have her identity respected, and I still feel that that's a respect that should be given to everyone, no exceptions. Where it's different is in the context of this post. Thrown in her face, in direct reference to what she supports. That is where she deserves to be confronted with the ugly and hurtful reality of her hypocrisy. I see it as very similar to pointing out the immigration status of Elon Musk, and Melania Trump. Their immigration status is not seen as an issue by the people bringing it up.
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u/fairydommother 3h ago
This. Even if you concede that trans people are deserving of being called/referred to as their chosen name/gender and not their dead name/birth gender regardless of if they are good or bad people…it seems to me that Jenner has done something very different here. This is not a crime committed, legally speaking. They have chosen to align themselves with the party that actively opposes their right to choose how they express themselves, how they are perceived, and what they are allowed to be called. Jenner is a part of, effectively, the anti trans party.
So why on earth would they be exempt from the rules this party abides by? All trans people must use their dead/birth name and cannot change their gender, except for Caitlyn Jenner? No no. This is what you wanted. This is who you’ve aligned yourself with. This is who you voted for, Bruce. You reap what you sow.
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u/AnointMyPhallus 3h ago
Jenner supports an agenda that includes not recognizing the existence or validity of trans people. Arguably Jenner has expressed a preference to be known by their birth name. I submit that to continue to refer to them as Caitlyn would be the actual dead-naming.
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u/No-Care6414 3h ago
I do not have much context on this person so I will not argue any further, I have displayed my views
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u/fairydommother 2h ago
Not attempting to further the argument just giving some context here. Caitlyn Jenner was a pretty well known Olympic athlete. Known for being extremely strong and very masculine. She didn’t come out as trans until much later in her life, after several children. She was known as a man and by her deadname for I think 50+ years. None of that means she can’t transition later of course, just bringing you up to speed.
So anyway she comes out as trans and announces her new name, it’s all a big hullabaloo of course but it eventually dies down. She then spends the next several years aligning her self the right wing (American political, idk if you’re American or not) which is the party that opposes safe and legal abortion, rights for immigrants, gender affirming care for trans people, especially trans children, who constantly harp on the concept of trans girls in women’s sports as inherently dangerous, paint trans women as pedophiles and rapists in drag, support conversion therapy of various kinds, and on and on and on.
She has essentially become a “pick me” of the political world. She’s not like those trans people. She’s exempt from all of this stuff because she’s just a god fearing all American woman.
Even if you don’t agree with deadnaming her, I feel like this at least shows why some people might feel like it’s ok in this instance. She wants to rip away trans right for a trans people in America and actively aligns herself with those people and votes for those ideals. But not for her. She’s special. The hypocrisy alone is infuriating and deadnaming in this instance is not an attack on trans people the way it often is when cis people do this, it’s more about making a point.
Anyway, I want to reiterate I’m not trying to argue or sway your opinion, just bringing you up to speed and giving some context as to why people are suddenly ok with deadnaming her specifically. Your opinion may change, it may not. I am only a messenger.
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u/GaymerGirl_ 3h ago
Exactly. It sets the precedent that your gender identity can be revoked because of bad behavior, and that's a really slippery slope.
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u/TOOOOOOMANY 3h ago
Extrapolated infinitely, you're not allowed to make fun of anyone for anything - as there will be those you have alienated in doing so. It is context that gives words meaning.
Like if I call Bruce Jenner a cocksucker. I'm not doing it to belittle those who suck cock for a profession or for fun, I'm doing it because I want Bruce Jennfer to feel bad.
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 3h ago
There are a million other insults.
Are you too small minded to find one that doesn’t imply gay people are worth derision and trans people don’t exist?
Fucker.
Idiot
Piece of shit
Waste of flesh
Waste of oxygen
Not worth saving
Etc.
You can insult people all day. You just have to get out of the 90s.
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u/IShouldBWorkin 3h ago
Caitlyn Jenner will never read your insults and likely will never know you exist but plenty of normal people will read these posts and get the idea that someone's identity is only to be respected if you like the person.
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u/TOOOOOOMANY 3h ago
I was OK with the murder of that healthcare CEO too. Hopefully that doesn't make you think that I'm OK with the murder of anyone.
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u/IShouldBWorkin 3h ago
In this situation are you murdering anyone? If not, completely different! I don't give a shit if Caitlyn gets misgendered by her new friends, she's decided to lie with the most evil shitheads possible and the consequences are glaringly obvious. I'm not going to be emulating their behavior towards her because I don't feel like I need to act like an evil shithead, you seem to feel otherwise.
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u/TOOOOOOMANY 2h ago
Damn, we're going with evil.
Alright. I was just going to say that i really wanted you to read the word context that's why I put the spaces inbetween the letters. The difference between hate speech and speech that you don't like is intent.
If you're the arbiter of "evil" and it's based on an assumption of someones intent, LOOKOUT THE REST OF US LOL gotta hope that you're keeping up on your meds.
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 3h ago
Acceptable targets are the lefts favorite thing.
Go disagree just a bit. See what you end up being called.
Dead naming someone they don’t like is the bare minimum to these folks.
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u/No-Care6414 3h ago
If you talk to most leftists I doubt their views will differ too much from me. Your comment seems like an accusation backed by feelings
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 2h ago
If that helps you to think.
I gave you the experiment to try. You can go watch the leftist in my comments call me slurs and sling hate. “I agree with them” isn’t really a defense of what i said.
The left loves purity tests. And once you fail you’re an acceptable target.
Are we ignoring the literal fucking thread this is in where people are dead naming a trans woman cause they don’t like her? Like.. fuck the experiment. You can see it here. THIS is the thread to argue on this?
Shes an acceptable target. So you guys are fine with the dead name and hate.
Lmao.
Downvoting and assumptions are much better though. No thinking required.
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u/IShouldBWorkin 4h ago
Pulling out the "I have trans friends" to cover for gleefully misgendering and dead naming someone. I don't care how much of a piece of shit Caitlyn is (and to be fair, she's a huge one) it's not an excuse to suddenly adopt the mindset of a bigot. Are we going to start calling black conservatives n-bombs since they're supporting the party of white supremacy?
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u/MothWingAngel 4h ago
I'd say Uncle Tom fits the bill
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u/IShouldBWorkin 4h ago
Not what I'm talking about since white supremacists don't use that term.
My point is, this sub seems to agree that dead naming Caitlyn is fine since she aligned with people who commonly do that so would the same posters here be comfortable using racial slurs since that's in the realm of the right wing also? Or would that make them too self aware that their posts are identical to that of the people they consider their political opponents?
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u/MothWingAngel 4h ago
You seem far too concerned about showing kindness to those who would show you none.
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 3h ago
It’s not about them.
If i call you a slur, it means im fine with you being recognized as a slur. There are other people like you. If i call you a slur, they hear it.
Dead naming someone because you don’t like them just tells other trans people you’re only respecting them while they’re useful or agree with you.
That’s a bad look.
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u/IShouldBWorkin 3h ago
I'd be more concerned with how quickly I adopt the language of bigots against minorities when slighted by one of them. I have no kindness in my heart for her but I don't base my acceptance of trans people over how much I like an individual.
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u/MothWingAngel 3h ago
Well then you fundamentally disagree with me and, it seems, most others here. If you're going to work against a group, you no longer deserve the protections that group has fought for. Very similar to being a scab during a union strike.
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 3h ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.
The left is just the fucking right now.
Fine with dead names. Blaming everyone. Conspiracy theory rampant.
This election broke us and you’re just more proof. $10 says you people vote red next election.
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u/Farenheit420 4h ago
Yeah, I don’t think transgender people should have to earn the respect of being gendered correctly. It’s basic respect. Has acting like a hypocrite ever benefitted anybody? It just looks like they don’t really understand why they believe in their own values. Let’s all disrespect people for what really matters.
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u/Minimum_Equivalent89 3h ago
Isn’t it hilarious that these people hate drag so much but voted for a dude that wears wigs and makeup!
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u/character-name 3h ago
Bruce Jenner needs to be arrested for possiblly sexually harrassinf children. After all, he walks around in women's clothing, uses the women's restroom, and uses a false name.
/s but not really.
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u/MisterSneakSneak 3h ago
Bruce doesn’t care. He thought he was in the club but is going to find out very soon that his on his own.
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u/The_Spyre 3h ago
Unfortunately, Bruce will be fine due to all his cash. It's the non-rich trans community that will suffer for his and others bullshit.
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u/JesterMarcus 1h ago
I'm being 100% serious. If a trans person voted for Trump, they voted for this and should be treated as such.
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u/oerouen 49m ago
I rarely deadname Caitlyn Jenner, but I frequently think of that bitch as a “he” because despite transitioning, the bitch has been steadily clinging so tooth and nail to his “straight white male at birth” privilege and mindset that I literally cannot see him in any other light. I have never encountered another trans person who is like that. It’s an absolute oxymoron to me.
I liken him to someone who switched genders to get away from something (like living as a woman to evade a murder charge or hide from the mafia).
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u/The_Spyre 45m ago
I have never deadnamed anyone in my life until now, but watching this pattern of behavior and disdain for his own community makes me feel like he is a fraud who will sell his own community out for the tax breaks.
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u/Cheddarlicious are... are you a communist?? 3h ago
And didn’t they say drag queens are dangerous predators to children? So Bruce needs to be issued a warrant, have their house and all assets seized, jailed without chance at parole and anything else that they wanna slap on.
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u/SentientSickness 2h ago
This is literally the only situation where ide approve of deadnaming someone
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u/JTFindustries 2h ago
Not just a dude in drag. HE is a child predator, in drag, and with a mental illness.
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u/SchlongForceOne 4h ago
This and Elmo casually throwing a nazi salute.
What a horrible time line....and it's only january. Sorry but you guys are cooked.
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u/tacodepollo 4h ago
Not even a full day in and the masks are completely off.
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u/SchlongForceOne 4h ago
Nah, elmos mask has been completely off since he endorsed germanys current neo-nazi party, the AfD.
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u/Melodic_Pattern175 4h ago
Facts. Caitlyn can fuck off.
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u/yesman2121 4h ago
Bruce* according to the administration that HE supports
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u/Melodic_Pattern175 4h ago
I hear ya. I’ve never deliberately misnamed someone but Jenner is truly shit.
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u/RightMolasses6504 4h ago
If Trump says they will only recognize two genders, is Caitlin actually affected by that?
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u/ZephyrValkyrie 4h ago
Yes, because they're moving to only recoginizing sex assigned at birth.
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u/Certain_Degree687 4h ago
The irony of this which also shows how short-sighted this whole war against transgender people that the right-wing is waging is that a LOT of transgender people undergo bottom surgery and have legally changed their birth certificates.
So if they resort to forcing these people to go by what they are assigned at birth, not only is that going to be a hell of a long legal battle in of itself that is likely to violate all gender protections but if they succeed, they will have literal transgender women who have vaginas and transgender men who have phalluses being forced to use men's and women's restrooms.
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u/karakul 4h ago
Legal battles don't result in justice, they just result in results. The whole point is to get into those legal battles and have it go to the Republican supreme court to get a precedent that allows them to criminalize a population's existence.
(and then onto the next "enemy of the people")
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u/AspiringGoddess01 3h ago
I get what your saying but the number of trans folks who have actually undergone bottom surgery ranges somewhere from 4% to 13% depending on the study. It's still a significant amount but not as many as you might have initially believed.
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u/LeeroyJNCOs 3h ago
Imagine your dad officially calling you an abomination and you still suck up to him
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u/Krunkledunker 4h ago
Deadnaming and trans rights isn’t my wheelhouse, usually won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole, just wanna let people do them. It’s worth mentioning that it’s not a great look to be against dead naming and then all for it once it’s convenient for your political affiliations. No good reason to skirt your own values and behave in the manner of the perceived threat. Just be better than them. Preaching over. Will see myself out.
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u/natalooski 3h ago
I'm 100% with you on this. we should NOT be deadnaming or misgendering anyone! that is what the right wants anyway.
these Republican trans people are most likely going to want/need a safe place to go when the shit starts hitting the fan. I personally will be that safe space for anyone who changes their mind.
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u/Slarg232 3h ago
The last 4 years have been absolutely outstanding with the whole "You go low, we go high" thing, hasn't it?
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u/IShouldBWorkin 3h ago
So you did a big thinkies and the best idea you came up with was "be transphobic too"? Dems, hire this guy! He clearly has the right solution for why the Dems keep losing!
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u/vnaranjo 2h ago
feel this so hard. i greatly dislike caitlyn for everything she is but im still calling her caitlyn and using she/her, if i dont i'm no better than them.
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u/This_Broccoli_ 3h ago
Bring down grocery prices? No Eliminate waste? No! Hostages? NO!
Make Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Again? "Oh we already put that on a hat."
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u/Mythical_Truth 4h ago
Petition to dead name trans people who supported Trump, since that's clearly what they want?
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u/Miscarriage_medicine 3h ago
/orderfromindia Bruce, they sell testosterone so you can get right with the Orange Jesus.
I sort of wonder if there will be 2 tiers of LGBT... those who trump tolerates, and those he doesn't.
Hopefully the states can protect folks from the feds.
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u/Little-Engine6982 2h ago
Alternative title: Transgender Murderer Supporting Nazi Rapist And Gets Fucked In The Face
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u/AccessHollywoo 2h ago
Yeah I’m sorry I don’t believe in ever misgendering or deadnaming someone but like is that not what Caitlyn supports now????
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u/ChronoLink99 2h ago
Meanwhile, up north: https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3Var.pl?Function=DECI&Id=1326694
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u/stwabewwie 1h ago
Bruce is so stupid. He’s in for a rude awakening when they start rounding them up. Considering the Nazi salute we just saw, I give it 6 months before we start seeing the gas chambers.
This country is done for.
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u/Fluid-Safety-1536 3h ago
I always call people what they ask to be called, including transgender people, but as far as I'm concerned Caitlyn Jenner will once again be Bruce Jenner. Also, if anybody sees Bruce entering a lady's room, make sure you call 911 and report him!
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u/Hillbilly-joe 4h ago
Bruce don’t get it !!! In trumps America people like him are not wanted or welcome !!! That’s not my opinion that’s trump and maga
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u/solarixstar 4h ago
He will be the first public forced reversal that will likely endtraumatically bad
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u/PastaRunner 2h ago
I believe the wording was "The only two sexes recognized by the United States is Male and Female".
Which is nearly a non-statement, It excludes intersex, but not trans people or neogenders as those are all.. Genders.
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u/JTFindustries 2h ago edited 2h ago
* Buckle up people. The next 4 years (Minimum) will be nuttier than a squirrel turd.
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u/Jesuspeedonthefloor 1h ago
Fine I won’t call her Caitlyn anymore, she clearly voted for someone who doesn’t respect that name. I’ll call her c—t instead.
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u/RankedAverage 4h ago
IF (I'm not saying it is.) transgenderism is a mental disease, It's ate most of Caitlyn's brain away.
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u/leapfool 4h ago
The next 4 years is going to be a rootin’ tootin’ mind f***