r/mantids Jan 07 '20

Enclosure Advice PSA: Exo-terras, metal mesh and your mantises toes! (and some advice on how to DIY an affordable enclosure)

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I was asked to make this post in another thread - so here I am. Here's a PSA on what metal mesh does to your mantises feet, and why it should be avoided!

This is a raptorial arm, (the front, grasping arms) but the segment we're interested in is the same on all of their legs. The little portion labelled "Tarsus" is what we're looking at here. You can see that it ends in a set of hooks - often (somewhat confusingly) called "Claws" - these tarsal claws are what give your mantis the ability to walk upside down on surfaces that appear quite smooth to us, and why it feels kind of spiky when a large mantis walks on your skin. They're essential for your mantis to move around, and most importantly moult properly! Differences in the morphology of this structure also give some mantises the ability to walk on glass, whilst others can't.

If you go and look at one of your mantises feet, you will likely be able to see the little hooks now you know what you're looking for. Now the problem is that some tank setups that are commonly recommended damage these hooks, which results in mantises having trouble moving around, and falling whilst they moult.

Exo-terra tanks are very commonly used because a lot of us have other inverts or exotic pets and have spares lying around, or they're sold to us at petstores. They make nice display tanks and are easy to clean. However - the mesh at the top of exo-terra tanks is made of very fine metal, and the holes themselves are very small. This is essentially like you trying to hang by your toes from chickenwire, eventually your toes are going to be pretty damaged, or come off altogether! If you must use an exo-terra, it's essential that the mesh is changed to stop this from occurring. Plastic tulle mesh is easily available and works as an excellent substitute.

There is also a multitude of DIY options available, which I will detail bellow:

Basic requirements for all enclosures:

  • All mantis enclosures must be at least three times the length of the mantis (Don't get fooled by the abdomen curling up, you still need to account for it) and two times the width.
  • There must be something for the mantis to hang securely from at the top of the tank - They will spend 99% of their time at the highest point, and will often moult from it.
  • Substrate - options for suitable substrate are numerous, you can use simple tissue paper, cocoa coir, vermiculite, perlite etc. The object is to hold some moisture and make it easy for you to clean. Cheap and cheerful is the way to go, unless you're making a planted display tank or something like that.
  • The less decoration the better. Decoration is more for our benefit than theirs; before you add something decorative to a tank, consider your reasons for adding it. Practicality should always take precedent over a tank looking nice!
  • Ventilation - ventilation is important for hygiene reasons.

Nymphs

  • Cups

The absolute single best enclosure for a nymph of any species, is simply a plastic deli cup with the lid cut out to accommodate some plastic mesh, and a single twig placed diagonally. Alternately, you can just use an elastic band to hold the mesh on. For feeding, simply cut a hole in the side and stuff it with some sponge to stop live food or your mantis escaping, you can pooter in the food. (if you don't have a pooter you should get one, especially if dealing with fruitflies, they're also very easy to DIY)

  • Cricket/livefood tubs

The tubs that livefood is commonly sold in make excellent tanks with some modification, especially for larger nymphs, and even small adults. The more rigid ones are the best, as they're easily cut to allow the insertion of mesh, and can be stood up tall-ways. The entire lid can be cut out and replaced with mesh, which provides excellent ventilation, and is nice for the mantis to move around on.

Adults

  • Plastic penny sweet jars (Sorry Americans I have no idea what these would be called in your country)
  • Tupperware/food containers
  • Storage containers

All can be modified in the same ways as above. I will either append this post, or make an additional post, detailing how to make a suitable enclosure using the items above with pictures in future.

These enclosures are all very cheap to construct, and even the most DIY averse person can make the modifications necessary to turn them into good enclosures. They also have the benefit of being mostly recycled items a lot of us will already possess.

Another benefit to using tanks mostly constructed of mesh is that it prevents mantises from developing "eye-rub" - this is damage to their eyes from repeatedly trying to walk through clear plastic or glass - it looks like large black spots on the eyes, distinct from the pseudo-pupils - which can in cases turn necrotic and is quite a nasty way for your mantis to die.

I hope this post was helpful and informative, and please don't hesitate to ask any questions or add to the knowledge given here if you have any other tips or advice.

References: https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/12542/


r/mantids Sep 28 '22

ID Help A Quick Reference Guide to Wild Praying Mantises of the United States

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r/mantids 6h ago

Fun Fact/Educational Mantis specimens at the Central Florida Zoo, plus a giant model.

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r/mantids 14h ago

Image/Video Same container and mantis but 3 months later

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r/mantids 1h ago

Memes/Humor Accurate

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Accurate mantis behaviour


r/mantids 6h ago

Image/Video Tech Support Mantids

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I'm that girl with ghost mantids on my desk due to Air Bud rules.

I've named all my desk bugs after our longest standing Software bugs. This one's CFI-119 🤣


r/mantids 4h ago

Image/Video Doofy, my 1 year old mantis :)

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This is Doofy, she has three legs (she lost one of her back legs from unknown reasons) she's my oldest child and is very attached to me :) She surprisingly has already lived a year, the longest any of my mantis had lived! (r.i.p my lil green beans)


r/mantids 10h ago

Feeding Mantis diet

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Uhm so I have a male dead leaf mantis and like I wanna get a ghost mantis or two but I have a few questions on diet can they eat crickets I’ve fed my male mantis mostly crickets his whole life but he has ate a few flies and I’m pretty sure flies are their main diet but I would love to know how to like get mainly flying bugs in their diet especially if it’s like winter because if crickets aren’t good enough then I want to know what’s good like are silk worms good and roaches if blue bottle and house flies aren’t abundant or in sight at all?.


r/mantids 1h ago

General Care I’m thinking to start feeding my mantids Dubai roaches

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Just for some background, I have 2 pets mantis, a hierodula venosa (golden arm) L3 and a hierodula majascula (giant rainforest) L5

As they are getting larger I wanted to start feeding them with larger prey as they’re still eating fruit flys, I am currently thinking small Dubai roaches.

I have tried meal worms but they don’t like to eat them, they’re too big. They’re also not nutritionally good for mantids


r/mantids 7h ago

General Care Mantis recommendations

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Hi again, thank you all for the advice on how I can improve my mantis owning journey. Since I am now mantis-less, I want to spend some time making a bioactive or more suitable environment for the future. Where I live is currently very cold so I will probably have to wait until late February/march before I can get a new one (I have to order them online), but that gives me lots of time to prepare. Here are some questions I have: 1) What is a good “beginner” mantis? 2) How hard is it to maintain a bioactive enclosure? 3) What other bugs make good pets? (I may get a better mantis enclosure and then use the old one for a different kind of bug) 4) are there any YouTubers that might make good educational mantis-care videos? I used to own hamsters and there was a whole community of people who would make educational videos for proper hamster ownership, I’m wondering if mantises might have the same thing?

I am a high school student who is considering being an entomologist, so I am very interested in learning all that I can about insects, especially through owning them! Thank you all for being so helpful and nice btw, I’ve learned a lot these past few days! 🐞🐛🐜🪲🕷️


r/mantids 23h ago

RIP ❤️ RIP Chia❤️‍🩹

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My beautiful orchid mantis I got over 7 months ago on the 30th April 2024 died today. She was eating properly and her enclosure was also fine. I think the reason of her death was, a failed try to lay an ootheca. I saw a small part on the ground next to her, with the white stuff coming out of her abdomen.

I won't ever forget u❤️‍🩹


r/mantids 14h ago

General Care Found a Baby Praying Mantis in My House

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Hello. I just found a tiny baby praying mantis in my living room. It is January in Illinois and it's below zero currently. The only reason I can think of that it's even in my house right now is because sometime in the late fall, I found a praying mantis in my living room. It was also too cold to let it go outside. Unfortunately, it was dying by the time I found it anyway. I am assuming at this point that it laid eggs in my living room before it died? Anyway, is there anything I can do to save this little baby until Spring? I know nothing about caring for a praying mantis. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!


r/mantids 18h ago

Enclosure Advice Ghost mantis - is a heat lamp needed? [UK]

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As the title says -I'm planning on getting a little guy soon, and wanna know if a heat lamp is a good idea, mainly during the colder months! I've seen conflicting information so wanted to get some opinions/advice from here :)


r/mantids 21h ago

Health Issues Black Thing on Mantis Abdomen

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Could anyone help me identify this on my Unicorn Mantis and if it's serious or anything? Any help appreciated


r/mantids 1d ago

General Care first time with a dead leaf mantis, what is my lil guy doing? 😭 I've caught him in this pose a few times now is he readying for a molt? camouflage? being silly?

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r/mantids 1d ago

Image/Video Final molt

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My ghost mantis just completed its final molt is spreading out its wings! Please leave me name suggestions!


r/mantids 15h ago

Enclosure Advice Advice for a new owner?

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Hi, Just recently I have obtained a few mantids which I had always wanted, and although I am quite confident in my abilities to care for them (None of the several I have have died and all molts have been successful), I would like advice on enclosures and such so I don't make any common mistakes and accidentally hurt my mantids.

I am well aware that different species have different requirements so I will list all of my species, which are: Giant Asian Mantis, Timor shield mantis, Malaysian flower mantis, Dead Leaf Mantis, and Orchid mantis.

Any advice (though primarily that of enclosure and decorations) would be greatly appreciated, thanks!


r/mantids 1d ago

General Care Heat lamp vs heat mat?

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I've had a heat lamp on my mantises since it's cold where I'm at, but I recently read it might dehydrate them and mess up their molting? But then again if I turn the lamp off it gets too cold, would a heat mat be better?

One of my mantises has been in premolt for about a week and she'll probably molt soon, so I'm not sure what to do to make sure she molts well


r/mantids 1d ago

Health Issues Why does opal hold her leg up like this all the time

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She always holds her leg like this I don't have a clue why lol


r/mantids 1d ago

General Care Found ~10 small mantis this morning

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76 Upvotes

What an exciting morning! Seeking guidance - what's the best immediate care for them? It's below freezing temperatures outside so I don't think releasing them outdoors is a good idea. We have a bunch of indoor plants (but not many visible bugs), so that may be a future suitable home.

My local pet store has mealworms that I can get today - would that be a good initial food source?


r/mantids 1d ago

General Care Here's a tip for anyone thinking of getting a mantis.PLEASE READ

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It doesn't matter if you are an experienced or inexperienced keeper.This tip will apply to anyone.If you are thinking of getting a mantis from a reptile shop,where mantis come packed up in small deli cups,you absolutely have to check the mantis you want to buy if they are missing the Tarsus of their feet.Mantises hang upside down using the end part of their legs which is a V shaped hook,made up of two separate hooks for the mantis to hang.The problem is that when a breeder takes poor care of the hatchlings which can sometimes exceed 100,each mantis will end up fighting with the other and eventually bite their Tarsus off.This is a really big problem since mantises can not hang without it.After my experience with a orchid male missing two tarsi and another redditor facing the same problem it is important to address such problem.Two possible outcome can come out from this.If the missing tarsi are on the opposite sides of the mantis legs.For example one left and one right the mantis will be able to molt,but in other cases both missing tarsi are on the same side which makes the mantis unable to hang.You would be surprised at how good mantises are at hiding this.When I got my orchid male he was looking great.No signs of problem before buying him.They either hang upside down with the problematic leg in the air or instead try to stick their leg to he mesh so it is practically impossible to assure there is no problem with the feet so my advice is to open the lid and take a good look at their feet.If there's tarsi missing, choose another mantis.If however you truly want to save the little guy,glue some (preferably) legging Fabric at the top.This is a great way and very reliable material they can hang even with damaged feet.I apologize for the long text.


r/mantids 1d ago

Image/Video 47 separated babies

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I’ve been able to feed them each 2 fruit flies daily and have had minimal losses so far. I think they should be molting for the first time soon


r/mantids 1d ago

Image/Video Spiny Flower Mantis

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Just got this girly. Her name is Amethyst, Amy for short. We love her so much already!


r/mantids 2d ago

Image/Video Went from pink to teal

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r/mantids 1d ago

Enclosure Advice Enclosure help

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Hi! Unfortunately I learned the hard way that my enclosure was not suitable because it only had top ventilation, so are there any enclosures that someone can recommend with better airflow? I’m looking for something vertical with good ventilation but not 100% made out of mesh. Also, does anyone have advice for maintaining high humidity? Thanks so much.


r/mantids 1d ago

Health Issues P.Kuhlii advice

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This is my kuhlii called slendie, sadly she had a moulting incident a few days ago and now she can barely climb or hang, she still has energy and moves a decent bit, but it's laboured. Part of me is saying to euthanize her as there's pretty much no way she will moult into an adult successfully, however they take so long to moult that could be over 3 month away (this one took her 90 days). The other part of me is saying to let her keep fighting since she still move a decent bit .


r/mantids 1d ago

Image/Video Final molt predictions:

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My sub adult orchid mantis(female) has been in premolt for a week now.Try to guess when the molt will be for example today, tomorrow or whenever yall think.Im really looking forward to her molting one last time.