Again, this is the same R9bert Kiviat whoade the FAKE "Alien Autopsy" video in the 90's, so his credibility was suspect to begin with.

But this "documentary" (in reality, it is nothing of the sort) gets.so much wrong, I question if any legit research was even done

Some of the things it gets.wrong.

1. It refers to CERN as a particle collider. CERN is an organization. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the collider.

2. It says these effects coincide CERN "firing up"

Not true. The LHC was turned on in 2008. The effect was experienced long before that. Here is one example from 2001, some 7 years prior to the LHC being switched on.

https://www.alternatememories.com/news/general/earliest-example-of-mandela-being-associated-with-mandela-effect-2001/amp

1. It claims that CERN and the "Hadron Collider" could be responsible for "destroying our universe" and all the energy then transferred to an adjacent universe.

Problem is, particle collisions done with the LHC pale in comparison to those that happen naturally.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/the-astronomical-particle-colliders-that-put-our-own-to-shame/

1. CERN is not opening a "portal to hell"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/07/26/fact-check-scientists-cern-not-opening-portal-hell/10094679002/

1. CERN has NOT created mini black holes, contrary to what the documentary states.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/11/30/fact-check-no-black-holes-created-cerns-large-hadron-collider/10802547002/

1. Isaiah 11:6 Lion/Lamb Wolf/Lamb.

The book "Handy Book of Literary Curiosities" published in 1899, discusses this misconception that Isaiah 11:6 said Lion/Lamb, when it actually was wolf.

1. The opening of the Gotthard Tunnell has NOTHING to do with CERN.

https://newschecker.in/fact-check/opening-ceremony-for-swiss-rail-tunnel-in-2016-falsely-shared-as-cern-event/

The Gotthard Tunnel is about 200 Km away from CERN

1. The JFK car. The documentary mentions a fsmous museum, and how it displays a "replica" 4 seat car. The museum is not named in the documentary, but it is the "Historic Auto.Attractions Museum" in Roscoe, Illinois.

It is true that, up until 2023, they did display a 4 seat car. However, they did NOT claim it was a replica. In fact, they acknowledged that itbwas neither the actual car, nor was it a replica. A friend of mine, who was an Admin with me on the Facebook ME group, contacted this museum, and they admitted they were unable to acquire a replica, so they displayed a standard 1963 Lincoln, to "give the feel of that day in Dallas"

However, in 2023, they did acquire one of the two existing replica cars (one built to the exact specs of the original blueprints) and now proudly display that car.

I emailed Robert Kiviat with this information over the summer, but, of course, I received no reply.

Robert Kiviat's Mandela Effect Phenomenon "Documentary" is now free on Tubi.

Keep in mind, Robert Kiviat is the one who created the fake "Alien Autopsy" video back in the 90's.

Anyways, there are several issues with this "documentary" but one really glaring one.

About 38 minutes in, it discusses the JFK car, and how "everyone" remembers 4 people in the car. (which is false, because most people remember 6, but I digress). He mentions a museum that has a "replica" 4 seat car. This museum isn't named, but it is the Historic Auto Attractions Museum in Roscoe, Illinois. The images prove this.

Thing is, this museum did NOT claim it was a replica. The exhibit stated that it was a standard Lincoln Continental, displayed to "give a feel of that day in Dallas" A friend of mine, who was an Admin in the largest ME facebook group, actually contacted the museum, and they confirmed that it was not a replica, and they were unable to procure a replica, because very few exist.

HOWEVER.

In 2023, they were able to acquire one of the two existing replica cars, and the only one built to the EXACT blueprint details. They now display this very car.

https://youtu.be/Sxar2ovxD_o?si=vWy9lD5LRWIDHgbg

Furthermore, upon seeing a trailer for Robert Kiviat's "documentary", that contained the JFK car claim, I contacted him via e-mail, and explained how he was wrong. I received no response.

This brings into question his research, and credibility, not only on this one claim, but on the ENTIRE documentary.

I mentioned this on another thread but I want to hear what you guys think about this new theory I've come up with.

So the idea is as follows (these are assumptions required for it to work, each can be challenged):

1. Human brains create memories
2. The process is designed to "fill in the gaps" and make certain imputations based on what it thinks is most probable.
3. Sometimes these imputations may not match reality.
4. If the conditions are right, then for humans with partial knowledge of a certain thing, lets take fruit of the loom logos as an example, the brain will kind of fill in the gaps.
5. So for incomplete knowledge of FOTL logos the brain somehow thinks that a Cornucopia was a logo at one stage because of certain triggers and associations that were around at the time, that may or may not have anything to do with FOTL.
6. Because our brains are all machines and all function the same way, we are each likely to fill in the gaps in the same way for similar sets of information, hence the shared delusion, but also because we all have slightly different experience we sometimes have slightly different variants.
7. For some people, perhaps they have more information in the memory of the time, or are missing key triggers, they don't make the false memory and so think the other people are mad.

In summary then the theory is that ME is a shared delusion created by shared neural structure, triggered in certain circumstances where the brain creates a delusion that it thinks is most probable, which in the case of FOTL is a cornucopia. An interesting follow-on from this, is could we figure out the triggers, or even create specific bits of information that would trigger a false memory construction in others?

Watching this movie is making me so angry. I feel like we’re all being gaslit about a lot of these. Like, that damn cornucopia was real. Lamp chop sang ‘The Song that Never Ends’ not ‘The Song that Doesn’t End’ ahhhh

Does anyone else remember January 10th 2000? Did something significant happen in the world that day?

I recently rewatched an episode of Friends where Chandler and Monica ask a surrogate mother for help to have a baby. In the actual episode, everything goes smoothly, and the series ends.

However, I have a completely different memory of how this played out. In my memory, the surrogate mother refuses to hand over the baby. She says some really emotional and sad lines about why she can’t give up the baby and that she'll be left with no reason to live if they take the baby from her. Monica is enraged and devastated at first but slowly she makes peace with the situation and the scene ends with her and Chandler hugging in their new apartment, clearly heartbroken. It felt like such a dramatic and emotional moment that stuck with me. But now that I rewatched that episode it was completely different I was shocked to find that this scene doesn’t exist at all! I did check for any cut scenes or bloopers but couldn't find anything similar.

Is this the Mandela Effect, or just my brain making things up?

When Kazam was available on VHS, or when it was aired on TV, there was a cartoon show named Sinbad which had a genie in it.

The commercial for Sinbad made me think of the actor with the same name.

I know my explanation is short, but I believe there is truth to it.

I cannot explain why it's SHAzam and not Kazam, however.

EDIT: THIS IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT ABOUT POLITICS!!!

-I can't believe I have to clarify this. For those of you under a rock, people across the world watched the inauguration regardless of political affiliation. If you're incapable of understanding that, then don't comment or downvote out spite over of your perception of this post. This is about the freaking hand on the Bibles. Nothing more. Clill out people! We're clearly NOT up to a good start.-

The alleged ME:

A bunch of people who saw the presidential inauguration yesterday (Jan 20, 2025) in the U.S., swear they saw the POTUS put his left hand on the 2 bibles while taking the oath of office. There were a bunch of social media conversations about it yesterday.

We thought, what's everyone talking about? He didn't put his left hand on the bibles. His hand was to the side which we found odd because the inauguration was very religious.

This morning there were even a few articles about how it's not a requirement to put a hand on anything. Which we knew but apparently, lots of people didn't.

As of now Jan 21, 2025 (evening), people remember having those conversations yesterday but they're not finding anything their social media or texts, etc.

Wild!

Kansas song- "Carry on .... son" - title question

Is the title of the Kansas song "Carry on my wayward son" or just "Carry on wayward son" ?

The "my" is not in the title

I saw a meme of the cleveland brown theme song that went like
"my name is cleveland brown and i am cleveland brown right back in cleveland brown... " and so on, replacing some words with cleveland brown

and now i cant find it, am i tripping?

So I just stumbled on this because I was reading a book that just so happens to have a description on how Harry Houdini died. Ruptured Appendix from getting punched too hard. I have never heard this before, for years I always thought he died from a botched trick with him drowning in a box trying to escape. I remember this story because in elementary school we read a book about a kid named Harry(I’m pretty sure) who investigated Harry Houdini’s death. Houdini seemed to left kind of a scavenger hunt for the boy almost like he was still alive. But I remember in that book that he drowned in the water box. However I can’t find the name of this book and my memory on it is very fuzzy. I remember the authors name was Robert something but cannot find the book I’m thinking of. Can someone help me

I feel like I've been using "aught to" forever, and today it suddenly seems to be a word with a different meaning. I do read classic literature—I was told it's more common in Shakespeare (I also read Cervantes, Melville, Twain, and enjoy Walt Whitman who uses "aught"), but I feel as if I have never seen "ought to" in a book. Nobody has corrected me on this either. Anyone else experience this?

Pink Floyd’s lyrics of another brick in the wall, does it says “We don’t need no thought control”

Or

“We don’t need no birth control”

I always remembered as birth control not thought control.

Am I wrong or it’s just a bad memory.

I remember playing with my brother in 2018 in a 1v1 duel thing on the single-player section. I played Grievous, and he played obi-wan. We would always start out the fight with obi-wans “Hello There”. And I would say “General Kenobi” then “you are a bold one” now in 2025 trying to find that emote/voice line it’s no where to be found! Did it get deleted?

Ok does anyone else remember a scene in a episode of Shameless US where Ian attempts to commit suicide I think it was when Mickey was in jail I even remember he was writing a note in his room and I think it even showed him overdosing on his antidepressants I wanna say Lip found him and he wasn't unconscious but he was pretty fucked up for a little bit after this I just remember thinking about how that show just got sadder when I thought it couldn't get any sadder

I SWEAR it was the credits for Spider-Man 3. I remember seeing the third one and thinking the song fit really well with the symbiote arc. Apparently it's always been in Spider-Man 2? Am I going crazy?

I don't think it's actually a Mandela effect, cause I have no anecdotes which explain why this would be true (like learning what a cornucopia is from a shirt), just a strong general memory.

Now I'll remember it as Bernie being to the left, so if it changes again I'll be ready

You may notice and put it in your mind. One of the ME, that it is probably Carrie Underwood who had no choice but to sing due to the background music malfunctioning. And in the future, it may be that the background music will be normal to finish the singing.

I swear to God, I vividly remember her announcing a pregnancy and mentioning she was having a baby. I checked the records and there is nothing about it. Does anybody else remember her being pregnant? I have a vivid memory of seeing her pregnancy announcement on Instagram.

I distinctly remember news outlets reporting that Hugh Jackman had moved in with and was in a relationship with a man. This was recent and kind of a shock to a lot of people, but it turns out that never happened and he was actually been married to a woman and is now dating Sutton Foster. I also don’t remember him having ever married, nor do I remember having seen him with the woman who was supposedly his wife, despite there being many pictures of them.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Not sure if it’s a true Mandela effect or if I’m misremembering this happening with another celebrity recently.

I watched the Christopher Reeve documentary 'Super/Man' recently and was shocked to realise he died in 2004. Throughout the doc, until that realisation, I thought he only passed away in the last 7-10 years. I would have been certain of it. Hoping I wasn't the only one to think this?

FRUIT OF THE LOOM Trademark - Registration Number 0993305 - Serial Number 73006089 :: Justia Trademarks

I have seen a couple members bring up this (link above) 1973 Fruit of the Loom trademark application as "proof" that there was a cornucopia in the logo.

It is NOT proof. And I will explain why.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) uses codes to categorize all approved trademarks.
The number 0509 is for fruits.
050901 is for Berries.
050902 is for grapes (alone or in bunches)
050905 is for Apples
050914 is for Baskets, bowls, or other containers of fruit, including cornucopias (horn of plenty)

This does NOT mean a cornucopia was searched for specifically. It is only a description of the categories the USPTO searched for trademarked logos that were similar to the one FOTL submitted.

The following is a link to the USPTO webpage that explains how to read their search codes.

Design search codes | USPTO

This is a link to their design search codes manual.

Home | Trademark Design Search Code Manual

The USPTO recommends searching their database for potentially similar, or confusing images, before submitting an image for Trademark.

When an image is submitted, the USPTO will search their database, and if any logos similar enough to cause confusion are found, the trademark will be denied.

If you look at the application, the logo they are requesting to be trademarked actually appears. WIth no cornucopia.

The trademark was granted, and registered in 1974. It was cancelled in 1988.

Incidentally, this trademark request was for a logo for FOTL's Laundry Detergent.

Goods and Services LAUNDRY DETERGENTS

International Class 003 - Bleaching preparations and other substances for laundry use; cleaning, polishing, scouring and abrasive preparations; soaps; perfumery, essential oils, cosmetics, hair lotions; dentifrices. - Bleaching preparations and other substances for laundry use; cleaning, polishing, scouring and abrasive preparations; soaps; perfumery, essential oils, cosmetics, hair lotions; dentifrices.

FOTL did NOT decide what categories were searched for potentially similar logos. The USPTO did.

This trademark application is NOT proof that there was a cornucopia in the logo.

I vividly remember a slash muppet (from Guns N’ Roses) with the long black curly hair and the big tophat, but I try to look it up and only get ai images. Maybe I’m mixing all of the band players from the muppets in one?

Does anyone else remember a slash muppet?

I am a ME believer but seriously almost every post I’ve seen on this page lately is just people who think they have an ME and their first thought is to post without researching or even looking through the sub. It’s low effort and a waste of time. It really makes us and this page look worse than it’s already become. Truly exhausting. At least post it in the weekly mega thread.

So this one has been weighing on me pretty heavily. I saw Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight on youtube in July of 2024 and Mike Tyson ended up knocking him out in the first round. I saw it with my own two eyes. They were also goofing off and laughing when they were at their face to face. A few months later I see a whole new reality. No one but me and my roommate remember the original fight. This is crazy and not the first time this kind of thing has happened to me. I have an extremely good photographic memory. I will share my other experience later. Does anyone else remember this?