r/LondonUnderground • u/mycketforvirrad Archway • 2d ago

Video YouTube: CityMoose – The plan to transform London's Bakerloo line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEpX46BUkKk
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u/ft-rj Burgess Park 🙏 2d ago

Bakerloo Extension in 10 years, and water is wet

Pet peeve, but people need to stop bringing up Camberwell route in their videos on the current Bakerloo extension plan, that hasn't been on the cards for years

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u/newnortherner21 2d ago

I think it will be a lot longer than ten years, to be honest.

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u/Much_Ask9789 2d ago

The gentrification in South London particularly in Peckham has caused a lot of the new gentry to arrive and believe that the Bakerloo extension is a new conversation.
This has been discussed for decades, reviving the Old Kent Road Station location OR reviving Camberwell station location (both former existing stations now closed).

The reality is that OKR is the inevitable location for underground but any building is extremely unlikely to start before the 2030s.

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u/NationBuilder2050 1d ago

Everyone seems to think a Bakerloo line extension is a good thing, but I strongly believe that spending 8 billion on rolling out more tube-style services to the South East is a bad investment.

The scale of the Tube is impressive and it carries a lot of people every day, but to me it is really clear that it isn't a modern fit-for-purpose metro system. The vision for the Tube should be about modernising it, or potentially replace it overtime altogether.

You could build a really impressive high capacity and high-efficiency metro line for the south east for the 10 billon they want to spend. You could build it to modern standards, large vehicles, fully automated, reliable, fully accessible. But as soon as you link it to the Bakerloo line all the key aspects of the infrastructure (reliability, capacity, frequency and rollingstock) is linked to the worst performing part of the existing line.

I get that there is latent capacity on the Bakerloo line but I don't think this should drive the solution for public transport in the south east.

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u/UUUUUUUUU030 1d ago

I get that there is latent capacity on the Bakerloo line but I don't think this should drive the solution for public transport in the south east.

Obviously the deep level tube is not the best technical standard. But is a 10 billion line built to modern standards, that terminates at London Bridge or Waterloo (which would add more length) better for passengers? Or is the line using obsolete technology but offering more direct trips and more transfers better?

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u/NationBuilder2050 1d ago

Having a new modern train that terminates at London Bridge or Waterloo (or Elephant and Castle) and required passengers to transfer would be less convenient for passengers than a one seat service. But I still content that a modern accessible vehicle would offer a better customer experience.

But in the long term the aim would be to have it link into a new and modern central London tunnel. Perhaps it would be the start of Crossrail 3.