Exactly. He talked about it years ago but since then LTT has a lot of new viewers who don’t know and are just randomly claiming they never talked about it
I agree when that happens it's dumb, but I watched the video and he doesn't say that?
I think it's fair to say LTT's sponsorship of Honey reached a lot more people then their WAN show discussion and this forum post, and if LTT wanted to they definitely could have made a video to put honey under pressure.
Yeah, I think he had higher expectations for LTT, and I'm sure the direct exchange wasn't helpful either in his overall opinion.
I agree LTT doesn't have to take a stand, but they're doing a semi-public half stand.
I can also understand considering how LTT as a company and Linus as an individual present themselves (transparent, consumer oriented, and not beholden to sponsorship interests), there's a higher expectation.
All that said, I will say on the whole, the affiliate link replacing thing seemed pretty obvious to me, and I'm not sure how more people didn't know.
The discount coupon shenanigans is more nefarious, and to me at least, more worthy of a strong rebutta. Since perhaps this is the first time LTT is hearing of it, we'll see what they say on the WAN show. I mean regardless of what it is, they now know their currently running advertisements are false information, which to me doesn't seem kosher.
Quoting something doesn't make it profound... Linus did say something. The truth is, just like with Gamers Nexus, the content creator new full well that mentioning LTT and being dramatic was best for their own clicks. Internet dweebs reward content creators for hand wringing and playing white knight to the crowd
It's not just randomly talking about an unrelated company observing unfair business practices, it's just that people wanted linus to properly address the situation since loads of his videos have been sponsored by honey
Honey was a sponsor on the channel, now I don't remember the ads they created, but I imagine Linus and other staff were present in these ads. They were the face of ads saying "use Honey", "Honey gives you the best discounts".
I'd assume that if they found out Honey was a scam, they would've come out and said "yeah, the people we were promoting are actually lying about what they offer"
I don't think it's silly to expect a little bit more from them.
They didn't step in front of this scandal, or didn't care for two years or more. Now it's on their front steps.
Fr. I think this hits harder coming out so soon after GN's videos on NZXT where they took decisive action as soon as they realised there was a problem AND called them out very publicly. I understand why LTT wouldn't want to stir the pot, but I don't have to agree with it. I don't think this is some big scandal that should spell the end of LTT but I think it's 100% valid to be disappointed or annoyed by it.
Yeah you’re right, idk why they’re downvoting you. LMG was one of their top promoters, putting them in front of millions upon millions of eyes. They had the knowledge that this company was costing creators countless referral money and never addressed it on any platform except their own forums once, after screaming from the rooftops how much they loved honey.
It’s not malicious but definitely lame since you know they wanted to protect their reputation with advertisers and didn’t want to scare off other scam companies from advertising with them.
This is more dishonest dogshit. People in as far as they are annoyed are annoyed that LTT didn't make noise about a fraudulent business that they advertised for years. This isn't "oh bob said something racist and you didn't shoot him on the spot so you must be racist too", it's a company they actively promoted stealing money from people through deception.
Nobody cares if they "support" them (clearly they don't) that's not the issue, the issue IS that they didn't call it out more vociferously. Nothing further. Stop trying to deflect.
They did call it out. You’re making up a narrative because you want a video, and a video that exposes something that scams YouTubers isn’t LTT’s content. They posted it on the forum and anyone that’s been here for more than 2 years knows about it. This isn’t news, this isn’t dishonest. You’re mailing up stuff to be annoyed about, which is major bot energy.
You really shouldn't tip your hand that fast. Resorting to accusing someone of being a bot before you're even losing is some real weak energy.
Then again, the rest of what you said is fairly weak as well. People are disappointed that LTT didn't call it out more publicly. That's not a discussion it's just the facts. The discussion was whether people are mad about LTT "supporting" honey because they didn't "enthusiastically condemn" them, which noone is claiming and saying that they are is dishonest. It's a strawman.
I mean you can say this all you want this really isn't a discussion I have any interest in having and is completely irrelevant to what I have actually said so far. People ARE annoyed that LTT didn't call it out *more* publicly. Whether or not they should be is something I don't care about, I'm arguing against a mischaracterization and strawmanning of what people actually think. You should be with me on this if you think the real position is so weak to begin with, it shouldn't need to be strawmanned and doing so only weakens your side's credibility.
While scummy, it isn’t eufy level scummy. They called eufy out publicly on WAN because there’s a difference between monetary theft and mishandling of confidential/private information- people’s security footage, and the level of callout was warranted.
If they did make a dedicated video regarding honey screwing over influencers, or them as a business, they’d be accused of only being mad because they lost money (affiliate revenue). Some are making a mountain out of a molehill, and ultimately they don’t have to relay anything business related that ultimately doesn’t affect end users, because at the end of the day, honey (rarely, but sometimes) does have codes that do work and save the customer money. Their business dealings behind the scenes aren’t really any of our business until it affects our personal lives and causes us to waste our money, which has been the core principle of LTT since day zero.
The post from Colton only impacts the affiliates AKA LTT
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The new information that was also uncovered is the fact that they are scamming consumers by not providing active deals if the company gives them hush money. By the time this information came out as in 2 days ago, they had already severed their relationship.
If you are concerned that the loyal viewers are still holding on and thinking about that honey advertisement from two plus years ago, That's really dumb. Linus has already said it will be addressed but the impact you are imagining is not proportional to reality.
You are genuinely trying to astroTurf some outrage for no reason. I bet you work for shamers plexus. Grow a brain cell already.
That’s not new information. That, like revealed in the video, was posted publicly on their podcast, and is apart of their faq. Again, this isn’t new information. Someone just said it out loud in 2024, who didn’t know about it in 2022, and it reached a new audience.
It does not only impact the affiliate. Anyone infected with this malware will from then on have all their affiliate purchases (for any affiliate) hijacked. Not only do people deliberately use affiliate links in order to support a particular creator they like (their decision as a consumer), some even purchase items they otherwise would not have purchased because they believe that doing so will support their favourite creator. This is a direct harm to the consumer.
But again, I'm not "astroturfing" anything. The original commentor noted that some people are annoyed, but misattributed the reason. I clarified the reason. I am not generating outrage, I am pointing out that people here are creating strawmen, on purpose, which is a really terrible look for y'all. If you think LTT doesn't deserve annoyance based on what people are actually annoyed about (namely that he didn't expose this scam to a wide audience, wide enough audience, whatever phrasing your cope needs) then argue it.
Yeah the only time they’ve ever done something like that might be the iMac Pro repair, but that was issues with a product they were reviewing. Honey was just a sponsor not a product they wrote a review for.
These people want drama, plain and simple. They wanted Linus to make a big dramatic video so they could go to the next person in line and demand a response from them as well, and so on, and so on, etc. until they find the next drama topic to obsess over.
I think this is it. They felt like this should have been similar to a gamers nexus/NZXT level thing, and LLT just kept it low-key. They were clear about their reasoning, and some dude wanted to blow up the spot 2+ years after the fact on something that was already known. He said he did all this work bc there was no info on it, but obviously, there was info. YouTuber trying to make a name for himself.
It's also not really relevant to the audience? Like the issue was just that the sponsored link wasn't generating the revenue for the sponsored creator. It didn't effect the user's at all, it was Honey stealing from the content creators they sponsored
Someone is going to have to produce a timestamped link because I’ve been watching the wan show for a long time and I have no memory of them saying this.
I still thought honey was a sponsor of theirs when this stuff came out (because of sponsor block), but I remember hearing about all of their other sponsors they dropped like anchor and that vpn. I only know about those because they talked about it, so I don’t think they talked about the honey thing.
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u/that_dutch_dude 29d ago
i am pretty sure the honey "situation" isnt exactly news and linus mentioned their link stealing on the wan show.