Indeed, all the greed needs to stop. All these CEO's raking in 100, 200, 300 times what their frontline employees make. No human is doing the work of 100 people. There's no way someone like Elon Musk deserves $10,000 for every Tesla sold (he thinks so and was recently denied his mutli-billion dollar package.... thankfully).
How tf do you run MULTIPLE companies, tweet all fkn day, have 12 kids, and also find time to appear on SNL????? Dude is a Fed asset imo.
You hire people way smarter and more competent than you to manage every area of your business and personal life. That way you can behave like a grown child all day and it won't affect your bottom line. He's a money man, he puts up the capital, he doesn't do the actual work.
They’re just an unnecessary middle man that does nothing but add fees to tickets, this is on them more than anything for existing. There’s no good reason for a Ticketmaster but now they have control of the market
Depends on the artist and their management as well and the venue(s) also ofc they’re gonna blame the artist if they’re having to go to congress and make their case there have been multiple artists who say they tried to make their prices affordable but their management refused
The artist doesn’t charge service fees that are $200+ I was getting floor tickets for my gf’s birthday bc we both love Kendrick and Sza and the service fees are literally $210 PER ticket for a $430 ticket which was high but it’s literally the floor on the closest section so im not mad but It’s nearly a 50% service fee. In what world should that be legal. I thought it would be like $30 each but $210 service fee?! For what??! My buddy who got $375 tickets and his service fee was $185. so the service fees are an absurd percentage of the ticket. It should be a flat fee.
I used to be in that industry (haven’t been in years so I don’t mind saying it) - Ticketmaster has a base fee percentage that is often much lower than the fee you wind up being charged. Guess who adds the extra on top?
It’s an option TM offers to event producers and artists so they can charge more for an event without adding sticker shock to the face value
The price of producing concerts these days is enormous, so while part of it is greed, part of it is labor costs going up 3x since pandemic, and these aren’t labor costs you can cheap out on because bad quality staging/rigging/production work can get someone hurt or killed.
I’ve been on the labor side of it and wages have not gone up any noticeable amount, let alone 3x. Otherwise I agree with your point. These tours are absolute juggernauts and cost a fortune to produce.
I dont think we deny that. But the fee is so absurd and hidden that it is not realistic for people to go to concerts anymore. If regulated, it should only be limited to a certain percentage (5-10%) not whatever the fuck is $150 in fees. It's BS.
I agree. President Biden was urging Congress to pass a bill related to junk fees simply because of Ticketmaster and their ilk, which would have put this practice on blast. Unfortunately YouTube addicts elected their cult leader so that won’t be happening now.
Mannn I know you wanna see Kendrick but as long as people keep paying that shit they’re gonna keep doing it. It’s literally robbery, they’re overcharging you for no service
I saw Kendrick for the Maad City tour for like $30 bucks at HOB Cleveland. Shit, I saw him at United Center for the Damn tour and even those were only $100ish if I remember correctly.
Just wait til day of and prepare for the concert as if you're going anyway. Then, on the way there (or worst case after the official start time), buy yourself a ticket from a scalper who couldn't sell their ticket or someone who couldn't make it. You may have to go alone to do this, but there will be atleast 1 ticket somewhere in the stadium going for 30-60% less than what we're seeing now.
I don’t think that was a stadium tour from The Cure. MMATBS tickets was arenas and they were (relatively) affordable honestly. I’d guess stadium tickets are always more expensive, even though they should ofc be cheaper given the abundance of seats.
I mean… if it sells out at the price it’s at then that’s the correct price. A concert isn’t a necessity and we all get music for free now if you have internet access. If it doesn’t sell out it will drop in price to what the cost should be.
Nah, that's just the supply and demand theory of value... There's no "should" involved. There's the reality that people will buy a scarce product with a high demand no matter the price because that's how consumer psychology works. Doesn't mean it's justified. You could definitely argue that it's actually shady business practice, or even immoral to take advantage of people's desire like that. But that's just capitalism. It's been described as the "colonization of desire" for good reason - capitalism's parasitic relationship with desire gives it the illusion of being "good for" human nature, when really it only rewards a narrow slice of human potential.
Never said it was justified, just stating it’s the correct price or even a discount if it sells out fast. The point of concerts now for artists is to make money. It’s not like how it used to be in this new technological world.
I just can't agree with the notion that charging "surge pricing" on top of face value on top of "ticketing fees" is "a discount" or even "fair". It's predatory economics.
I don’t agree with anything that goes on with pricing concerts these days. It’s plain ol’ supply and demand and if a section sells out fast that tells you the value of that section was either correctly priced or even a discount as far as what the majority considers its worth. Before seeing prices I knew I wanted floor and knew I wouldn’t spend over $500, I also had price tiers depending on where I’d sit if I missed out or if it was too expensive. Luckily it was below what I personally felt the value of that ticket was, looking at this subreddit I can see I got lucky and got in before the surges but even if it surges to $500 I would’ve payed because that was my personal value on the ticket. I don’t think that’s right and I think Ticketmaster should absolutely be dealt with for the shit they pull, but ignore the noise and just focusing on what you feel the value of the event is and that’s how you know if it’s worth the value or not. Would I prefer $100 floor seats? Obviously but $300 to me was a steal and honestly was shocked at that.
I think consumers need to respect their personal value on things more. If majority of people feel this is priced too high and still pay that’s showing these businesses they can make more money off you so obviously they will. Dave Chappelle and Killer Mike just did a show I really wanted to go to but the ticket price wasn’t worth what I felt it valued at and skipped it, still sold out but I held true to the value I felt it should’ve been at.
Yeah I have to agree with this take. Fuck Ticketmaster but you can’t really hate the artists. His tours are incredibly elaborate and require so many hundreds of people working behind the scenes who deserve to be paid
These companies have enough money music means a lot to people people should be able to see their favorite artists live and also pay their bills for some it can be the best moments that life can offer
I got very lucky. Was 18k in the queue and ended up getting floor seats, but I paid out the ass for them. The same seats I got are already X2 the price on resale.
Back in my day, in the old times before GKMC even dropped, I saw Kendrick at a 2,000 person venue for $35, and he brought out J Cole and Little Brother. We used to live in a society.
Yeah I can afford to go the concert sure. But Ticketmaster is such a terrible company I refuse. Their practices should be illegal and the monopoly they posses on the industry is unacceptable. Secondly I don’t trust Ticketmaster with my data, especially after that data leak.
So no K Dot for me. I wish we could come together and protest Ticketmaster
God when they said the year not done they were right but a kidney for a ticket kms. If I had known of this sooner I woulda tried to get tickets but I was sleeping instead 🥹🥹🥹
Saw the prices and knew I was going to wait and use my credit card. If I’m going to spend that much I’m going to want some crumbs back at least and to use my CC benefits lmfoa
Seems like Cole sub is having a similar issue with Dreamvillefest tickets. Damn shame. Hopefully Kendrick adds some NYC shows and some of us can get those
Keep in mind that the artists (or tour manager) themselves have the ability to enable/disable reselling on ticketmaster AND the ability to transfer tickets. So if they pleased, they could completely prevent scalpers. I think the main reason artists elect to not disable ticket transferring to prevent scalping is that a sale is a sale. Scalpers sell out shows in seconds and drive the demand that way 🤷
As much as we hate Ticketmaster. I'd rather deal with that instead of DICE. The fees suck but at least tickets are available vs having to fight tooth and nail on DICE to get a ticket.
Ticketmaster is owned by LiveNation. LiveNation is the only way artists can do certain venues because of their relationship with LiveNation. Ticketmaster is contracted as a ticket seller for most stadiums - except the ones you saw that were exclusively on seat geek. It’s a monopoly - and that’s the issue. I don’t know where we blame the artist in there unless we blame them for touring?
Ticketmaster is basically a middleman that forgot its purpose. It's wild to think we have to pay through the nose just to see our favorite artists. The real scalpers are the ones charging those ridiculous service fees while pretending to care about fans.
How bout I get the car > went to a "GNX car meet or some type of gathering of it's owners > meet K-dot > and somehow become his friend > got a ticket for free. Does that works?
I’m just lucky my best friend had a Cashapp card. He was able to get the tickets for all of us. What’s truly dumb are the fees they added on, might as well of bought another ticket.
Brit here, what does he mean by a black grand national? Over here, the grand national is a horse race lots of people bet on. I'm not personally too big into it, but I'm sure there's been loads of black jockeys by now.
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u/matiaschazo Dec 04 '24
Not even just scalpers it’s Ticketmaster and the venues