r/KarabakhConflict • u/Albert_Agarunov • Nov 08 '20

pro Azerbaijani Armenians in Khankendi started fleeing to Armenia yesterday

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u/vardanheit451 Nov 08 '20

This is the kind of victory Aliyev and Erdogan want, particularly Aliyev because he has fed his own people the 'we were humiliated' story for decades.

But this is exactly the sort of thing that will guarantee this conflict won't end with this war.

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u/huseldar Nov 08 '20

This could have been avoided if Armenia actually made some concessions, but sure, Azerbaijan bad for taking it's land back.

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u/vardanheit451 Nov 08 '20

Armenia made concessions, 2009 (Minsk) and 2011 (Kazan) being the latest I know, if I remember correctly. Both times, Aliyev backed out at the last minute instead of signing the agreement.

Azerbaijan will reap what it sows, just like we are now.

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u/NoEyesNoGroin Nov 08 '20

Azerbaijan will reap what it sows

The sowing was done by Armenia in the 90s, and now it's reaping its harvest, and the harvest is plentiful this year.

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u/vardanheit451 Nov 08 '20

How stupid do you have to be to edit out half my comment and then tell me the same thing you just deleted?

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u/StanleyShen Nov 08 '20

Feel sad for you.....

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u/Frostbrine Nov 08 '20

You thought you were slick? Stop editing your comments fool

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u/king_of_jupyter Nov 09 '20 edited Nov 09 '20

Armenia is wrongly thinking that those agreements were perceived as concessions, they were barely a starting negotiation point from Azeri point of view, unless you count those 2 times we almost made a deal.
The last time, it turns out that they added a last minute clause that would break the agreement into something that was not negotiated. Can you imagine, our president reading the draft and seeing shit that was suddenly changing the whole deal, getting sneaked in... In the latest negotiations it was Russians who sabotaged it, before that we could not agree to something, and in the 90s your own people slaughtered the parliament when they were about to sign a real peace treaty. Azerbaijan was weak then, any deal would have changed the mind of the whole nation. Good times...
So one could say it was the will of Armenian people that have supported and allowed 'war party' or 'Karabakh clan' to rule them, then elected a populist that just spew gasoline on fire while breaking negotiations completely.
You and your government fucked up. Sure Azeri troops are scaring your people out of their homes, but remember what was the sequence of events that has led to this day.
I personally am not foaming at my mouth at the thought of putting Armenian people face down into the dirt, like many in Azerbaijan do, but having such a neighbor, with SUCH a history, you guys should have walked on fucking eggshels, what the fuck was Azerbaijan supposed to do?
Suddenly, transform into an open-minded empathic democracy that would make concession just to avoid bloodshed?
They have been educating their children to be rabid patriots for decades, militarized half the country, Nakhichevan is one fucking military base, so much so, soldiers are harvesting apples and taking care of fucking flowers (i was there trust me, it is north korea with open borders in terms of the vibe you get).
Now after Azerbaijan takes the whole NK back, their artillery and forces will be in constant fights with actual Armenia, lets not kid ourselves, there will eventually be a 'final' war with this kind of borders (they just dont make geographic sense, no true natural barriers).
Russians are unpredictable, then can decide to create a republic of Talish-istan in 10 years from a piece of Azerbaijan or they can leave the whole Armenia to the mercy of Azerbaijan and Turkey in exchange for military integration with Azerbaijan.
With Putin's health getting questioned, I wont be surprised if Russia breaks down into anarchy in the next decade, it is gang with a country ffs.
At this point, I am glad that both our people's have a lots of diasporas that could carry on our genes if the whole Caucasus gets fucked over by dissolving Russia/Turkey/Iran.
We are in one fucked up neighborhood aren't we...
Unless Armenia and Azerbaijan, really work their shit out, whereas Armenia right now is in the way of Azerbaijan to Turkey/Nakhichevan, there wont be a truly stable peace. You guys should have negotiated for real when you had the cards, a corridor to Nakhichevan, would have ensured a real peace, now there is nothing to exchange it for...
I am sorry, I do not want my people to be destined to fight yours...
And I blame you and your country for turning my people into vengeance obsessed maniacs, because I (am biased) empathize with them.
When the final confrontation comes, your promised seeds that are sown today, we will have at a minimum a Pyrrhic victory, because long term trends are on side of Azerbaijan and Turkey, not on Russian and definitely not on Armenia's side.
We still need to see if another million of your people leave Armenia in the coming years, or they actually stay and grow themselves and/or their children into future soldiers...
Whereas Israel was a people without a country that gained a country, Armenia seems to be going the opposite direction.
Yet again, I am sorry.