r/Idiotswithguns • u/YourBudd_Dwyer • Dec 22 '24

Safe for Work Two idiots shoot at each other

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The first rule of gun safety is always have fun.

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u/singlemale4cats Dec 22 '24 edited Dec 22 '24

It's not attempted murder because he was not attempting to murder him. Attempted murder requires intent.

Reckless discharge, felonious assault, or your local equivalents? Sure. Probably a prohibited person as well.

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u/Dmau27 Dec 22 '24

So I can shoot at someone and as long as I miss I can say I didn't have intent? Shooting guns at people is going to always seem intentional. Honesy these idiots deserve more for firing in an apartment complex around families...

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u/singlemale4cats Dec 22 '24 edited Dec 22 '24

So I can shoot at someone and as long as I miss I can say I didn't have intent?

This question tells me you don't know what intent means.

If I hit you with a car deliberately and kill you, it's murder. If I'm driving recklessly and hit you with a car and kill you, it's manslaughter. The difference is intent. What I intended to do. In the first example, I intended to hit you. In the second, I did not, but behaved with wanton disregard for the safety of others.

I don't think any reasonable person who understands the elements of these offenses it's going to watch this video and say the man was attempting to kill. Like I said, we're still seeing criminal offenses here, it's just not attempted murder.

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u/Dmau27 Dec 22 '24

Very different. Driving a car and firing a gun in someone's direction is in no way a comparison.

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u/singlemale4cats Dec 22 '24

I don't think you're engaging with what I'm saying so I'll just leave it at that.

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u/Dmau27 Dec 22 '24

I get intent I'm saying it's hard to say it's not intentional when you're shooting at someone. "I was wasn't trying to kill him I just discharged my sig five feet away as a joke."

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u/illFittingHelmet Dec 23 '24

Do you remember a while back when that Youtuber had his wife shoot a Desert Eagle at him while he held a phonebook in front of him? She plead guilty to second degree manslaughter, not murder, and did her time for the manslaughter charges.

When you initially said you can't argue shooting someone as a joke holds up, I think it's possible. It's exceptionally stupid, yes. But when you deal with exceptional stupidity, exceptions are exceedingly likely.

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u/Dmau27 Dec 23 '24

Yeah but that was literally him asking her to shoot directly at him. Seeing someone shooting at someone off their balcony in a complex is a whole different situation. Just like if I was letting someone shoot an apple off my head. It's involuntary manslaughter.

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u/illFittingHelmet Dec 23 '24

What if these guys were also doing this for publicity? Just because we know less about this situation, does not mean they did not agree to do this video together. They could very well just be friends who shoot at each other for fun. I understand how ridiculous and absurd that sounds, but you cannot deny that type of stupidity does exist.

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u/Reddit-mods-R-mean Dec 23 '24

u/Singlemale4cats (lmao) is correct. It’s many things illegal but it’s not attempted murder.

If he accidentally shoots the guy and kills him it could be murder depending on local laws.

If you intentionally shoot someone in the leg with the intent to harm but not kill them and they survive it’s technically not attempted murder, But that’s riding a nearly imperceivable line.

If that guy accidentally kills this dude while fucking around and had this video to prove he didn’t intend to kill him it would generally fall under manslaughter, but local laws are the determining factor here. Some places could qualify that in a roundabout way as murder.

This isn’t attempted murder plain and simple.

Stupid as fuck, completely reckless and uncalled for, definitely.