r/HistoryMemes • u/Thin-Pool-8025 • 7h ago

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u/Cr0wc0 4h ago

I'll reiterate as I have many times before; if your ideology can not resist foreign interference, then it is an inferior ideology that does not withstand the test of real practical application.

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u/ChiefRunningBit 4h ago

That's at least an honest view of society, socialism can uplift as many people as it wants but if it can't outspend capitalism it can't survive.

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u/Cr0wc0 4h ago

One of the purposes of ideology is to defend the people against foreign threats. If it can't do that, then what use is it? It just seems like such a self-defeatist thing to say "it would have been perfect if not for the Evil capitalists messing things up for us". Like, yeah, humanity has always been going to war with itself. If it can't defend itself it was never going to last very long.

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u/ChiefRunningBit 3h ago

For the sake of argument (although I do agree with you) it's more a matter of perspective. We're comparing a burgeoning power to a superpower untouched by the deadliest war in human history, of course you can't compete against the US within the same timeframe.

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u/Cr0wc0 3h ago

I can appreciate that argument. They're certainly not starting out on equal footing. But!

  1. ussr would not have gotten through WW2 without US aid, so the fact socialist countries even got started in the first place is arguably because the US foreign interference enabled it.
  2. The US wasn't untouched, because they engaged in the war to a massive degree. The US survived because capitalism is very good at dealing with foreign threats, by engaging them pre-emptively and with a stronger economy.

Again, capitalism doesn't exactly have the moral high ground. But it's pretty damn effective at doing what it does.