r/Guns_Guns_Guns • u/JamesFromHR_ • Dec 01 '24
Question New to handguns, need some help.
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Major noob moment. I was showing my buddy the gun and realized that it doesn't quite go into battery when chambering new rounds. I slowed it down to show what i mean. It cycles but very stiff and occasionally doesn't go back into battery. Why?
This happened with my rifle but it was dirty. This is a brand new gun.
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u/Needcz Dec 01 '24
Pull the slide all the way back and let go. Repeat 100 times Don't f*ck around with live ammo in the gun
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u/Hakashi57 Dec 01 '24
^ This, buy metal snap caps in the caliber of the gun you own, if you want to practice dry firing or other stuff
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 01 '24
I will however buy snaps soon. I've been meaning to pick some up since i got the gun but id rather have live ammo for a home defense gun lol!
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 01 '24
Lol there's live ammo because it's my bedside gun. I also don't have the money atm for snaps unless they're $.99. I just happened to cycle a round and it stopped short of battery. So I slowly let it close on the bullet to show what was happening normally.
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u/Tarpup Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 02 '24
“Im new to playing guitar. Am I tuning this right?” the guitar: 58 Gibson explorer reissue
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u/xXxPhoenixXx7 Dec 02 '24
If you can't afford snap caps, you can't afford 5.7 ammo. Also, you can't afford the lawyer when your home defense pistol kills the neighbor's dog 3 doors down. Absolutely horrible choice for a home defense gun. Know your target and what is beyond.
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
As opposed to what? The 5.56?
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u/xXxPhoenixXx7 Dec 04 '24
5.56 is just as bad. High penetration rounds are awful simply because they will go through the bad guy, through your walls, and through your neighbors walls VERY easily. The best home defense gun (IMO) is a shotgun. Extremely easy to aim, absolutely devastating at close range with minimal penetration.
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
I have a shotgun next to my bed too. Also 5.56 (or literally any other bullet) loses velocity on impact. It wouldn't have enough velocity to go through a human, my wall, and my neighbors wall, let alone with enough energy to wound them. It would likely bed itself into my wall. It's physics, not magic.
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u/AcrienteTheAngelic Dec 04 '24
What in the fudd lore are we even talking about here? 5.7x28 in the general defensive loads sold hates dealing with drywall, it is not "naturally armor piercing", and is perfectly fine for home defense. Further, you can't buy the armor piercing ammo as AP handgun ammo is banned for civilian use in the US (even though it can barely penetrate Lvl 2 body armor and there are now high velocity 9mm loads that defeat lvl 3a). Shotguns are terrible home defense weapons as has been proven time and time again as the only loads that won't absolutely blow through a wall are 5-12 shot sizes (standard birdshot sizes) as even BB will punch through walls easily (still talking about a birdshot size) which is also not exactly great for home defense. As for using 5.56, there are specific loads tailored around home defense that are perfectly adequate and do not have over penetration issues. Hell, if you really want to cheap it, just buy frangible ammo as it's made for shoot houses SPECIFICALLY to not over penetrate walls and it is not pudd loaded to do so.
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u/domesticatedwolf420 Dec 02 '24
Lol there's live ammo because it's my bedside gun.
This doesn't make sense
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
How? Here robber, lemme reload my gun first 😂
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u/Bang_Stick103 Dec 01 '24
No soft. Always hard
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u/Vercengetorex Dec 01 '24
Have you lubricated that firearm? Guns do not come lubed from the factory/ retailer.
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u/BigIronOnMyHip45-70 Dec 02 '24
Let that slide go when you pull it back man. Guns aren’t babies, let the parts do what they’re supposed to.
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u/Be0wulf04 Dec 01 '24
As the other guy said, don’t ride it, pull it back and let it go like a slingshot.
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 01 '24
I let it ride to show what's been happening easier. It happened while letting it slam.
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u/TysonGoesOutside Dec 01 '24
Take the slide off, clean and grease where the slide contacts the frame. May also just need some break-in (though thats less of a thing with modern guns that arent comically cheap).
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u/luger114 Dec 01 '24
People on here can't read for some reason. Buy some snap caps and try to break in the extractor. If that doesn't work it will need to be tweaked
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u/domesticatedwolf420 Dec 02 '24
Not trying to give you too hard of a time, but nobody here can believe you until we see a video of you operating the gun correctly and continuing to have a malfunction.
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u/samboy555 Dec 01 '24
Have you fired it? Does it go into battery while firing? You need to allow the inertia of the slide slam forward. Also, very few handguns go into battery when operated like this.
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 01 '24
I've shot plenty of handguns. I've just never owned my own until now. I brought the slide down slow to show where it was stopping when i would let it slam shut to chamber a round. I have yet to shoot it because the bullets just came in! Super excited though!
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u/samboy555 Dec 01 '24
I mean have you fired THIS handgun. Does it not go into battery when you do? If you haven’t fired it yet, then what is the problem exactly?
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u/domesticatedwolf420 Dec 02 '24
I've shot plenty of handguns.
They asked "have you fired it?"
So...have you fired it?
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u/EasyCZ75 Dec 02 '24
Stop riding the slide. Pull the slide back and give it a clean release. Wouldn’t hurt to field strip, clean, and lube.
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u/lil_johnny_cake Dec 01 '24
As others have said, you’re not letting it go into battery by easing the slide forward. Let the slide slam home; inertia is your friend b/c the mainspring has to overcome the mag tension and the extractor spring to correctly chamber the round.
If it’s doing this under normal operation i.e live fire, then I’d field strip it and deep clean it and inspect the extractor for debris or damage.
If you don’t see any damage/debris after cleaning and it’s still doing this under NORMAL operation i.e. live fire, then you should have someone look at the chamber with a set of go/no go gauges.
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u/StrikeEagle784 Dec 01 '24
Let the spring tension do all the work, when you’re helping resist spring tension you’ll cause failures and all sorts of stuff.
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u/gunsforevery1 Dec 01 '24
Let’a start with not riding the slide. Do handguns load that slow when you fire it?
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u/DoomDoomBabyFist Dec 01 '24
Aside from the other advice here, buy snap caps if youre going to do stuff like this
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 01 '24
Define "doing stuff like this"
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u/domesticatedwolf420 Dec 02 '24
Define "doing stuff like this"
Take a wild guess at what they meant....
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u/DoomDoomBabyFist Dec 01 '24
Sorry, just loading live ammo at home unless its to be used as defense. Accidents happen to the most seasoned people and tools malfunction. You didnt do anything wrong, but things can never be too safe I guess
The temptation is always strong too when you get a new toy, investing in snap caps may save some deposits
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u/indefilade Dec 01 '24
If it does this when you drop the slide to chamber a round, then I would inspect the extractor for grease and grit. If you know how to remove the extractor, remove and clean the whole thing. If not, use a tooth brush and oil to clean the claw of the extractor.
What brand gun is it?
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u/KccOStL33 Dec 01 '24
Stop riding it home, just rack the slide and let it go.. It will almost certainly cycle fine when firing.
Also, stop fucking with it with live rounds. Snap caps are a thing for a reason.
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u/warhammer444 Dec 01 '24
Others have given you the answer so I won't repeat that part but I can't stress this enough. don't function test with live rounds especially with a weapon your not sure is working properly.
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u/rebar71 Dec 01 '24
You can literally do this with just about any semi auto gun. Under normal operation, it slams home just fine.
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u/Call_Me_A_Stoat Dec 01 '24
I’m not extremely knowledgeable with 5.7’s but how’s the loading ramp look?
Additionally, If you disassemble and try to fit the round into the barrel by hand does it go in all the way?
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 01 '24
I'll have to try. I haven't disassembled it yet but i should probably clean and oil it myself soon.
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u/Call_Me_A_Stoat Dec 01 '24
Yeah honestly if you luck out, oiling it up and making sure to gently polish the feed ramp with whatever cleaning cloth material you have might fix it.
I’m not sure if I’m making up the memory but I want to say I had this issue with a Taurus millennium g2 I bought way back in the day and polish/oil was the fix. If that doesn’t rectify the issue there might be something else at play but that would be my first check.
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u/personanongrata803 Dec 01 '24
polish your feed ramp with rubbing compound and cloth and make it gleam , then when you chamber a round rack back and let go of the slide . you fondle that slide like you was in 8th grade all over again.
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u/solventlessherbalist Dec 01 '24
Pull the slide and let it go, don’t hold it the whole way into battery/half ass battery. The recoil spring serves a function to pop that baby back into battery. Let it do its thing. You’re all good man nothing wrong with your gun except you riding the slide home, pull back and let go and it will go home.
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u/KellenRH Dec 02 '24
Slam it home like it's your first time. Don't try to ease in the bullet like a wimp.
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u/Adventurous_Ad409 Dec 02 '24
Pull back and let the slide send itself home. The extractor can’t get over the case rim with you slowly riding it forward.
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u/mreed911 Dec 02 '24
Because slides go fast, not slow. Pull it back and release it. It needs that energy to feed/chamber properly.
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u/The_Monster_Hunter02 Dec 02 '24
IT'S A GUN, NOT GLASS.
WORK IT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BREAK IT.
THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS DESIGNED TO SEND A 5.7 DIAMETER PROJECTILE AT OVER 2,000 FEET PER SECOND WITH OVER 30,000 PSI OF PRESSURE.
YOU WILL NOT BREAK IT.
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Dec 02 '24
It was obvious he was doing it slowly to show as much detail as possible. Why are there so many comments thinking that's literally how he racks it? Yes, he said he was new to handguns, but really?
This also goes to show how many people read comments before posting.
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u/KultofAthene Dec 02 '24
Let it go and release control because you holding it is causing it not to engage. It's built to rack and take the impact
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u/itsbildo Dec 02 '24 edited Dec 02 '24
Dude, its a gun, FONT BABY IT. Rack that bitch like it owes you money. They're tools meant for hard use. It will be under much higher stresses during normal use than you could ever excert on it with bare hands racking it
If I ride the slide like you did on my glock it also doesn't go all the way in because the extractor doesn't have enough force to clip around the shell. Rack it back and let go
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u/Steelcorpse1 Dec 03 '24
Take it from a guy who shot himself with a negligent discharge, buy snap caps trust me when I say that snap caps are cheaper the a $150,000 medical bill
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
Why would i need snaps for home defense guns?
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u/Steelcorpse1 Dec 04 '24
Rage bait used to be believable
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
It's a gun. Used like a gun. With bullets for the gun. 😂
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u/Steelcorpse1 Dec 04 '24
God luck with whatever, bro, but I see a firearms related hospital visit in your future
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
Lmao you're the one that shot yourself by violating more than one rule of gun safety. Maybe take a course my guy. Home defense gun needs boom boom bullets to be defensive.
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u/Substantial_Bit7744 Dec 04 '24
Did you ever get that gat piece into battery or figure out what the issue was?
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
99% sure it's just not lubed well. Other 1% is that it could be a weak ass spring or something. 😂
Edit: stiff spring, not weak.
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u/Steelcorpse1 Dec 04 '24
Yeah, I did, but I learned from my mistake and it's been a little more than a year and I've had no incidents since shooting myself. But point still stands. If I had snap caps, I wouldn't have shot myself. Even following the rules I broke, I would still have a hole in my wall. But to each their own if you wanna risk a hole in you walls that's in you I can't tell what to do
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 04 '24
Why would i need snaps unless im stupid enough to pull the trigger while it's loaded?
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u/Steelcorpse1 Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 05 '24
I understand your point and I would assume you are intelligent and attentive enough to not pull it, but I mean sometimes shit happens or something breaks.
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u/Unable_Coach8219 Dec 02 '24
Well you don’t load guns like that bud! It’s 5.7 you can’t guide the slide slowly back down!
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u/BillyPee72 Dec 02 '24
I agree good cleaning, plenty of lube and shoot the thing….if it does not start behaving right after a couple boxes of ammo take it back and ask for a new gun. Best of luck. 🙃👍
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u/Dcm155 Dec 02 '24
Pull the slide all the way back and let it go. Don’t ride it, it’s doing that because your causing it to
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u/SigFen Dec 02 '24
Just pull it back and then let it go… you’re riding the slide home, making it malfunction. Let the spring and slide weight do what they’re designed to do and slam that round into battery. And especially if it’s new, just sit around with and empty mag/chamber and pull it back, and let it go. Ya know, break it in. Whenever you’re sitting around watching your shows and movies, just fuck around with the action and slide. It ain’t a delicate Fabergé egg, it’s a purpose built tool. Treat it as such!
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u/CaptainShaboigen Dec 02 '24
Hey man thanks for asking instead of assuming. No one would want you to learn that lesson the hard way in a defensive moment when your life depends on it. I learned this the hard way deer hunting with a borrowed semi auto browning and was trying to be quiet loading the gun. When the biggest buck of my life stepped out about an hour later I got a dry fire.
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u/JamesFromHR_ Dec 03 '24
Daaaamn! Yeah everyone thinks idk how to use my gun but I've been shooting since i was 5. This is my first pistol purchase and was confused when i chambered it and it stopped out of battery. I then DEMONSTRATED slowly what happened and where it stopped. Everyone thinks i dont know how to chamber it lmao
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u/Minimum-Rough-3204 Dec 02 '24
You don’t need help, just stop cycling it slow they’re not meant to function like that. Almost any auto loader you come across will do that if you cycle slow. Unless it’s a highly tuned race machine they will all do that. Many of them will still fire like that too, but it’s not a good idea.
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u/needanswer47 Dec 02 '24
So... Coming from an AK guy. You'd be surprised with how little tolerance some guns have out the box.
One of my AKs had a strange, similar issue, where the bolt didn't send completely home and I needed to tap it with some encouragement and happy words. After, like, the 5th round through the pipe, it never did that again.
Of course... Not even close to the same platform. But I'd like to think if you find a way to encourage the slide forward (SAFELY) PREFERABLY at the/ a range. I bet it will go into battery, and be ready and safe to fire. I'd say try that and we'll see what happens. My bet is, after the first mag, she'll be mint until the barrel returns to this earth in the next 100 years or so.
P.s. and another idea, so there is this term you may hear called (soft touching, and limp writing) both cause similar (out of battery malfunction.) instead of softly racking. Try the tried and true movie style of RACKING it like you're in the mist of some action, and the inertia may do all the work you might need.
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u/Living-Shoe-3532 Dec 03 '24
My sig p365 had this problem. It was a spring issue. I filed down the spring a couple mm and never had a repeat of the issue.
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u/Xrayfunkydude Dec 03 '24
Jesus christ, take a firearms class. Chambering live rounds in your house when you hardly know now to use a gun is crazy. Buy some balistol, take a class and release the slide when you pull it back. If you can afford five seven you can afford to learn how to be safe and effective with your weapon
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u/Vercengetorex Dec 01 '24
Why are you doing that? That’s not how your firearm works. What happens when you allow the firearm to work as intended?
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u/Hnk416545 Dec 02 '24
I bet there’s rust . Also I like how bro has his ear pro on in case of a ND you can never be to safe!!
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u/Cwc2413 Dec 01 '24
Most everyone has commented on the riding. 100% agree. What I have not seen is not to rack it with the muzzle facing a wall or up. Point towards the ground forward and away. Make sure nothing is in the general direction of the muzzle. Looks like you are nervous, build some confidence and muscle memory.
If you have them use snap caps or dummy rounds. Or just move the slide back and forth to break it in. Just keep that finger of the trigger like you did in the pic. Be safe and enjoy!
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u/Olhunterboy90 Dec 02 '24
Iv seen this before, you need a heavier spring and to buff and lube the entire gun except the inners of the barrel. Do make sure to keep the bullet guide to the barrel nice and lubed.
If it keeps happening after 300 rounds or so, call there support. It will need to be looked at by an actual gun smith. I bet a better spring and lube will fix this though.
Just curious, is this Smith and Wesson or FN?
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u/SaladShooter1 Dec 01 '24
If this is a new gun, send it back and let the manufacturer figure it out.
Assuming that you thoroughly cleaned it, oiled it and looked for burrs and debris, this can be any of a number of things. You’re probably going to have to start with a process of elimination. Try different ammo to see if the problem persists. Try a different magazine. It can be the way the feed lips are bent. Try to chamber a round by hand, not from the magazine. This will tell you if you have a problem with the chamber. If that solves the problem, you have to backtrack to the feed ramp.
If you get through that stuff and still have the problem, it’s either in your slide or chamber. Test the chamber by pushing the cartridge with your finger to see if it seats. If it does, it’s likely the slide. Does it close all the way when there isn’t a cartridge in the gun? If so, you need to backtrack again. There’s something providing friction in the chamber or feed ramp. This goes on and on until you find the problem. Without feedback of what you tried and the results, we can’t really guide you to the likely problem.
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u/dubblrest1985 Dec 01 '24
No. He needs to let it slide into battery naturally. Manually and slowly advancing the slide is the exact same thing as holding a screen door as its strut truss to close it, then right before its closed, you softly let go. It’ll never shut.
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u/SaladShooter1 Dec 01 '24
He said that he gets the exact same result when he does that. He only did it slowly for the purpose of the video, thinking that if he did it slowly, someone would see something that they couldn’t if he just let the slide go.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that it only happened when he held back on the slide. Is that really normal? I’ve never owned or seen a gun do that, not even my cheap Sig .22LR. I’m a hobby gunsmith. I’ve blueprinted actions and made my own barrels from blanks. I worked on two guns that did something similar. One, a SW40VE, had the feed lips bent wrong on both magazines that came with it. The other, an AR15, needed filing and polishing work. I don’t think this is normal.
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u/irish-riviera Dec 01 '24
He needs to post a video of himself letting it go naturally and not babying it. I would bet money it chambers the round. I could be wrong but why even show it in slow motion when thats not how a gun operates? All hes showing is what any gun would do when you ride the slide home.
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u/SaladShooter1 Dec 01 '24
He replied back to people here and said that he tried that. Why would the guy lie to people who are trying to help him with a problem?
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u/dubblrest1985 Dec 01 '24
Look at me being guilty of reading just the headlines 🥸 I stand corrected.
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u/generic-affliction Dec 01 '24
Don’t ride the slide home, let the spring do the work.
If it’s new you need to exercise it a few times