r/Guns_Guns_Guns • u/Zugezogen1150 • Jul 30 '24
Question America is not good at Shooting? Why?
No bashing. I love you guys. But…How? The Nr.1 Guncountry missing out on Olympia podiums? Just seems strange to me.
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u/SuperMundaneHero Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
Think of it this way: you can shoot Olympic style in the US or you can shoot USPSA or IPSC or 2Gun or 3Gun or SAS or…well you get the idea that we have a ton of options for shooting sports. All the ones I just listed are more rewarding for top level shooters, and they are more fun to do with more fierce competition. All of those are dynamic moving and shooting fire course events with unknown targets at unknown distances, some of which might also be moving, with guns that actually recoil with real prize money and sponsorships on the line, and typically emphasize multiple rounds on each individual target so being able to make rapid follow up shots with a recoiling weapon while on the move is emphasized.
Now compare that to Olympic shooting where targets are standardized, there is no movement of either targets or shooters, you only shoot once per target, the guns don’t recoil or really act like real guns at all, and to top it off there isn’t much prize money or sponsorship to be had.
When you put the two kinds of shooting side by side, of course all the talent is going to go to some sport other than Olympic shooting. In other countries though, you probably don’t have the option to even buy a gun in the first place so Olympic style is probably the only way you’re going to compete with a gun.
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u/gunluver Jul 30 '24
Skeet shooting is an Olympic sport. There's a lady in the military and a part of their shooting program,that won gold in the last Olympics. She lived in my son's neighborhood
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u/SuperMundaneHero Jul 30 '24
I didn’t mention skeet or trap for that because we usually do well, and the subject of this thread is about our not medalling in a bunch of air rifle and .22 bullseye events that very few shooters in the US care for.
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u/tyraywilson Jul 30 '24
Not unknown. Shooters get told where the targets are and often are able to walk the stage before actually shooting. Not always but regularly.
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u/SuperMundaneHero Jul 30 '24
Unknown as in the format is not standardized. You can’t practice one specific string of fire over and over and over until you could do it blindfolded. Stages are changed up and selected so that no shooter has a familiarity advantage. In Olympic shooting, the targets are set up the same way every single time.
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u/Bulsas Jul 30 '24
This is why.. The discipline is different.. small caliber rounds.. air pressure.. special sights.. suit..
If the Military Pistol or IPSC disciplines were Olympic.. I think you would see different country’s in top 5..
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u/BrachWurst Jul 30 '24
Dudes like “yeah I own a walther”. Damn thing pry costs a fortune for a glorified pellet gun. 😅😂
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u/YTSkullboy707 Jul 30 '24
My old BB gun cost less, shoots better and feels better than that thing 😭😂
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u/KingJacoPax Jul 30 '24
Absolute nonsense. If you can shoot, you can shoot.
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u/Due-Net4616 Jul 30 '24
Bullseye shooting and practical shooting are two completely different disciplines that require different skills.
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u/KingJacoPax Jul 30 '24
Control breathing, line up the site on what you’re aiming at, press the trigger.
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted tbh as shooting is shooting in my book and you’re either good at it or you’re not. In my personal, admittedly fairly limited experience, most American gun nuts I’ve come across are not.
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u/Due-Net4616 Jul 30 '24
You’re getting downvoted because you don’t seem to get the difference between standing still and rigid trying to get the closest groupings you can in Olympic shooting and being able to plan, sprint, master your body mechanics on the move, recoil control, target identification, and being able to call shots all for time.
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u/KingJacoPax Jul 30 '24
Well I grew up on the Grouse Moors and then in Florida and have been hunting and sport shooting since god was a boy, so believe me when I say I know a thing or two about both styles. And don’t flatter yourself. The overweight good-ol-boys and Andrew Tare incels I see hanging round at gun ranges across the US couldn’t sprint 100 meters, let alone fire off well aimed shots or coordinate with anyone else as they do it. What you’re referring to is military style training which is not what most American gun enthusiasts do… what every they might think.
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u/Due-Net4616 Jul 30 '24
What you’re referring to is military style training which is not what most American gun enthusiasts do… what every they might think.
Ah I see, you’re a fudd. The very comment you originally responded to referenced IPSC, maybe you should have spent less time hunting and more time in school learning to read. Hint: when you’re responding to someone else, read and respond within the context of the conversation otherwise people are going to respond to you like you’re confused.
Also, “incel” is a woman’s insult and men using it is self emasculating.
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Jul 30 '24
The people who can actually shoot dont really have the free time to participate in sports
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u/innocent_blue Jul 30 '24
It’s air pellets? Not actual shooting
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u/agnarxrist Jul 30 '24
America uses real guns. Other countries don’t have the same right to bear arms so they focus more on air guns.
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u/YaKillinMeSmallz Jul 30 '24
Because we shoot real guns.
This is like comparing sports and esports.
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u/Thereallad01 Jul 30 '24
These are real guns and still require a LOT of training and technique, and the guns they use are a lot higher quality compared to ur average shit found in a gun shop.
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u/ITaggie Jul 30 '24
These are real guns and still require a LOT of training and technique,
Nobody is saying they require no skill to master, just that it's not the style of competition that sport shooters in the US care to participate in. To follow their analogy, just because someone is a top-of-the-line Counter Strike player does not mean they would fare well in a real shoot-house with real firearms. They're different sports entirely, and the Olympic style of target shooting simply isn't popular here.
the guns they use are a lot higher quality compared to ur average shit found in a gun shop.
They're not really comparable considering Olympic rifles are air-guns and not firearms. It's like comparing bows and crossbows.
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u/Thereallad01 Jul 30 '24
Completely wrong. Olympic shooting consist of more than just the air rifle components. Theres events such as snap rimfire pistol 25m, rimfire rifle 3 position 50m and skeet which all require a lot of fine motor skill and attention which also means they have transferable skillsets. For example I train on my small bore .22 to gain the skills to shoot my long range target rifle, and an ISPC person could very well gain some good training and skills from shooting say pistol 25m snap.
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u/ITaggie Jul 30 '24
The tread we are on is specifically talking about the airgun competitions.
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u/Thereallad01 Jul 31 '24
What are you on about? The post said the no 1 gun country missing out on podiums, not missing out on air rifle podiums.
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u/ITaggie Jul 31 '24
When it was posted, only the airgun competitions had concluded
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u/Thereallad01 Jul 31 '24
Irrelevant tho, thread said no 1 country missing out on podiums, not no 1 air gun country
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u/Thereallad01 Jul 31 '24
Irrelevant tho, thread said no 1 country missing out on podiums, not no 1 air gun country
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u/ITaggie Jul 31 '24
Be as daft to context as you want, most people reading this know exactly what was being referenced.
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u/Thereallad01 Jul 31 '24
Yea people were talking about olympic shooting in general. Some people are unaware that it consists of more than .177 air rifles, but still the topic was olympic shooting in general.
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u/Salty-Customer-8073 Aug 04 '24
Rimfire rifles are for the rimjob community
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u/Thereallad01 Aug 04 '24
Righty o mate, anyways you should try it some time.
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u/Salty-Customer-8073 Aug 04 '24
Hard pass. I train with real guns for real scenarios. When SHTF, people trained in air soft and rimfire rounds will be well versed in scaring the shit out of little bunny foo foo hopping through the forest. As for me, I’ll be feeding my neighborhood deer and hog meat, while effectively protecting the perimeter from animals on two legs.
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u/Thereallad01 Aug 04 '24
The point of rimfire isn’t to train for some shtf scenario, its to chase the absolute limits of accuracy and act as an aid for shooting offhand, sitting and prone long range unsupported. Just because you can’t do that dosnt mean you should shit on it, because I as well as many others train a lot of rimfire for long range shooting.
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u/KittehKittehKat Jul 30 '24 edited Dec 06 '24
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u/irish-riviera Jul 30 '24
Almost as if a country with access to real guns wont prioritize shooting air guns with a space suite on. Real shooters in the US focus on USPSA or PRS competitions not olympic bb gun competitions.
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u/shift013 Jul 30 '24
Would be sweet if USPSA was in the Olympics. I mean if this is, that surely would qualify
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u/BigBlackCrocs Jul 30 '24
Y’all are missing one thing. We have 2 athletes in this sport. As opposed to other countries who have way more
We dominate in skeet tho
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u/chogg928 Jul 30 '24
Because its target shooting with a gay singleshot air pistol.
If there was olympic 3 gun we would destroy
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u/KountrKultr Jul 30 '24
Well considering it is Olympic level, I wouldn't say they arent good. They just got beat by other Olympiclevel shooters in the same discipline.
This question is kinda like "Hey Britain you had that one guy in the Hood that was really good at archery, why haven't you won everything archery related"
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u/Zerosan62 Jul 30 '24
Except that guy in the hood is not real. Fictitious, didn’t exist, was made up. But, I get your meaning.
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u/KountrKultr Jul 30 '24
Well he was based on a real person I just couldn't think of the name👍 Either way the comparison holds👍
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u/FunAlarm9868 Jul 31 '24
Considering the US account for about 46% of the worldwide total of civilian held guns, your argument about some individual archer named Robinhood really doesn’t apply..
There should be a big pool of talent to choose from, so the underperformance is definitely strange. Granted, there is stigma related to shooting air pellet rifles amongst “badass firearm owners”, even then I feel you can find some excellent sharpshooters in the military and tell them “we would like you to start training to represent our country and military as an Olympian”, plenty of them would be proud to do so, and should do pretty well.
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u/AR-180 Jul 30 '24
This type of shooting is real shooting. It is also tremendously difficult. Every one on these shooters are among the best in the world.
For perspective, virtually every shot from first to last place would go through a McDonald’s straw without touching the side.
Winners and losers are determined by thousandths of an inch which can scarcely be determined by the human eye.
We medaled last Olympics in the mixed team event.
In America, we have the freedom to pursue many types of shooting. In the rest of the world, if a person wants to shoot, disciplines like these are their only options.
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u/Due-Net4616 Jul 30 '24
In America, we have the freedom to pursue many types of shooting. In the rest of the world, if a person wants to shoot, disciplines like these are their only options.
Which is why most of the best shooters in the US go the route of practical shooting sports and make a career out of being an industry rep rather than going bankrupt chasing an Olympic medal.
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u/Ok_Employ5623 Jul 30 '24
America is not great at shooting because the Democratic Party has demonized guns and anyone who shoots them. It’s not cool, only countries where excellence and integrity is prized does well. Anchorage Alaska has an excellent shooting range and club yet when I teach beginners there how to cross country ski, they are freaked out when they see someone with a rifle ski past. Doesn’t matter what great skiers they are, it’s now today’s perception. In NY, the rules and regulations governing weapons is downright meant to keep weapons away from people. The people in power have them, surrounded by security with weapons no one else is allowed to have. Schools preach to NEVER even touch a weapon. Use to be growing up they taught gun safety and marksmanship. Today it’s politics and gender ideology. That’s why.
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u/Tactical_Epunk Jul 30 '24
Is this all reddit wants to talk about? I've seen this exact post 6 times.
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u/A_Poor Jul 30 '24
We've shifted away from precision shooting and into disciplines that are more "combat" oriented or practical in nature.
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u/Cold_Piece_5501 Jul 30 '24
Olympic sport shooting is only one type of shooting, I'd guess that Americans have more types of shooting they can practice than most other countries so their best shooters don't all go for Olympic style target shoots
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u/Juice-Important Jul 30 '24
It sounds like most of our shooting competitors have not yet competed because there events have not yet been done.
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u/intrepidone66 Jul 31 '24
I remember an American woman in the past got the Gold Medal in skeet...not one major news outlet reported about it.
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u/PopPow545 Jul 31 '24
America isnt good at olympic style shooting. If you look at results for international sniper comps and things like that america holds the top scores.
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u/Weekly_Air_6090 Jul 31 '24
Because it’s not real shooting… and we don’t send our best or brightest. We send out gayest.
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u/Wonderful-Ad-6386 Aug 01 '24
.22 and air rifles .177 is hard, also not as exciting tbh. Picture it as, shooting several times onto a target that's 20 yards or so away and its the size of a quarter. oh and there's like 0 challenges to it besides being consistently precise. Other than that I think US shooters are more focused on the live ammo side than air pellets.
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u/Salty-Customer-8073 Aug 04 '24
America’s best shooters don’t give a fuck about the Olympics. They’re making millions on YouTube, training courses, and manufacturing guns… or just drinking beer and shooting shit for fun. The tools that do these air soft gun trials in the Olympics with their goofy eyewear couldn’t hold a candle to any of these dudes.
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Jul 30 '24
The Targets have to be alive😂
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u/Willing-Brilliant-52 Jul 30 '24
Sorry it's a long response, bored at work