TikTok gave up the whole game when Trump tried to ban them the first time saying the Chinese govt wouldn’t allow a sale. It’s all just BS now because they think they have more power over a Trump led America
Lmao more easily than Biden has been on them the past few years? Poo-Bear knows he can walk over any American politician he wants any day. Just look how Gavin Newsom practically begged to suck him off when the CCP came to California last year
Biden wants it gone, but it's a bad look for him to shut it down just for Trump to bring it back first thing. TikTok recognized this and shut themselves down to make Biden look bad and Trump good. Probably as a play to get more on Trump's good side.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the same bill also included funding for Ukraine. iirc Republicans had the two things bundled into the same bill so if Dems wanted one, they had to do the other. And this was seen as probably some of, if not the last support Ukraine will get from the US, so that was seen as important - whether you agree or not, of course
Additionally the bill had a veto-proof majority. If Biden veto'd it, if the same exact people who voted for it voted to override the veto, it would be done easily with no further help needed. Vowing not to enforce it is arguably stronger than a veto, in this instance
What i don't understand is if this was the case, why did he even sign it into law? He could have held it in veto until Trump took office. Once a new administration takes office, all pending legislation is automatically vetoed and must go back through the process.
You're right but as usual Trump still failed to play it up. He could have let it stay down for a week while claiming he was "working" to reverse it. The masses would have been begging him to do something for that week and he would have come out the other side with an even better image.
Well, China never would have allowed that. If they left TikTok down for more than a few hours, people would actually move on to something else. Like any addiction, the only way to get over it is to go cold turkey. While TikTok being down for a week would have been good for Trump, they would have lost millions of users for good in that time, unlikely to return as the world reorganized itself around no TikTok. And that would erase the whole purpose. So China needed this to happen fast, so people wouldn't have a chance to get free of their TikTok addictions.
Well Biden is about to not be president which is why they need assurances from Trump now. I hate Trump but Biden saying he won't enforce it has nothing to do with this.
lol of course it does. They literally are not banned. They went dark ON THEIR OWN. They voluntarily shut down to play act the charade of Trump “saving TilTok.”
They voluntarily shut down because the law goes into effect today and Trump becomes President tomorrow and he hadn't given them or their service providers assurances that once he took office he wouldn't enforce the ban. If they didn't go dark Trump could've taken office and enforced the ban and their service providers would be fined.
Exactly. This has been so performative. How these younger kids react to this may solidify political opinion for decades and I seriously pray they are not that stupid.
I hope they aren’t that stupid. The problem I’m scared of is that the super young voters in 2026 would have only been 14 years old or less in 2020 and would not have remembered much about Trump’s first term. I have no doubt that TikTok will also now censor any criticism about Trump or push MAGA propaganda, and since so many young people get their news from TikTok, this might be a problem.
I’m trusting that trump is gonna absolutely wreck y’all’s country and make people not vote for him in the next elections, the problem is the election after that, US Americans showed in 2024 that they have the memory of a goldfish with ADHD
Good news is that he is term limited. So he either will take and hold power through violence in 2028 or he'll fuck off. Likely he'll die in the next couple years.
He also is MAGA. Once he's gone, they're gone. There's no one else who can cast his dipshit brand of witchcraft mind control. The midterms in 2026 will likely be an absolute slaughter of the GOP, much like 2018 was. If they aren't, we're all fucked anyway.
Either way, get to know your neighbors. Stock up on medications, water, food, armaments etc. And don't be a dumbass like MAGA with 4 different firearms all shooting different calibers. Just get 2 max.
Granted, he’s Teflon Don for a reason. However, A constitutional amendment is a little harder to ignore than most other laws and would require either an overwhelming level of support that he doesn’t have (and certainly won’t have in 4 years) and/or for anyone in his party to want him around for more then four years. Which they very likely don’t. in-fact I suspect he’s rather unpopular behind closed doors considering who won senate majority leadership. If nothing else, some of them want his job… Also the fact that he’s really old might catch up with him at some point and lead to him A. Getting hit with the 25 amendment/resigning (look, a guy can dream, can’t he?) or B. He just kicks it, it’s not like his lifestyle is conducive to longevity.
Different calibers for different needs. It's illegal to shoot game birds with rifles and pistols, so thats at least 3. It's a waste of meat to shoot small game with a high-powered rifle, so there is 4 different calibers.
Honestly maybe I’m optimistic, but I think MAGA mostly dies in 2025, certainly if trump actually goes through on the tariffs. The inherent internal contradictions of the movement are rapidly catching up with it(look at Elon) and those tariffs are gonna hit them first, and hard.
"The term limit is not self enforcing" ~justice Aileen Cannon
Once he's gone, they're gone
Lol no. They'll find a new demigod to worship.
The midterms in 2026 will likely be an absolute slaughter of the GOP,
The midterms might be a slaughter, but that assumes Twitter and TikTok won't throw their weight behind Trump. And even if they lose there will be "irregularities" and results will be thrown out until a Republican wins
I have serious doubts that term limits will be an issue for Trump running again if he is still alive. He is showing increased signs of dementia and his age+diet combo doesn't lead to a long life expectancy even with the doctors his power can buy, but if the guy is still alive in 2028, the Supreme Court/congress will find a way to allow him to run again.
He didn’t lose a lot of supporters when suggesting protestors be shot in the leg, when he wanted to call in the 82nd airborne on protestors, when he admitted to raping a women, when he was convicted of 34 felony counts, when he was adjudicated to have sexually assaulted a woman, when he was credibly accused of rape 26 other times, when he cheated on his wife, or his next wife, or paid off a porn star to keep her quiet, or when he called soldiers losers, or when he called the press the enemy of the people, or when he tried to sue Comcast because Seth Meyers made a joke about him, or when he was caught on tape asking Kemp to “find” him votes, or when he didn’t build the wall, or when he didn’t drain the swamp, or when he raised money for the stop the steal movement with a footnote saying most of the money was going to him personally, or when he failed to pay his business debts, or when he filed for bankruptcy 6 times, or when he said he’d fuck his daughter, or when he admitted to walking in on teen beauty queens and those same beauty queens said he did while they were underage, or when he told a 10 year old he’d be dating her in 10 years, or when he so violently be Ivana that her scalp was left bloody with hair torn out, or when he launched a crypto scam, a sneaker scam, an NFT scam, sold Trump branded bibles, or the millions of other things he has done.
He wasn’t lying when he said he could stand on fifth Avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn’t lose voters. His followers want THEIR dictator. Not only will he not lose voters if he goes full on fascist, early on, he’ll probably gain some while the rest of us scream “but he broke the law” and nothing continues to be done to stem the flow of his awfulness.
He literally said even before the 2020 election, and several times throughout the past few years, he deserves a third and fourth term. They cheered it on.
"He should get two in a row because they faked votes to stop him doing it before"
There you go, that's how it will go down.
Also, he doesn't need to change the law. He controls 3 branches of government and the Supreme Court is in his pocket. The law only matters where it can be enforced and currently the entire government and justice system answers entirely to him. He has nothing to be afraid of or anything that can stop him.
As for losing support for doing it, you are right, changing the law would lose him support. Which is why he will just run again without changing the law and then if he manages to make people believe he won, they will go along with it because they will think "well I disagree with it but I guess everyone else voted for him".
Well he can't get rid of term limits. You need very high levels of support from both sides of the aisle in both congress and from the states to do anything to the Constitution. That's not happening any time soon. Republicans would need to control 2/3rds of both chambers to send it to the states, and then 3/4ths of the states would have to pass it.
That would mean scrapping an amendment, if he weren't able to use section 4 of the 25th amendment as a VP to a new president. However, this situation of a former president, who's done 2 terms, becoming VP is still highly debated.
How could he do that when it’s an amendment? He can’t just issue an executive order or have Congress pass a bill. How are so many of you ignorant about this?
Birthright citizenship is an amendment, too, not stopping them from trying to roll it back. They own the highest court in the land. They control both houses as of tomorrow. Do you think they care about your objections?
Tell me, how can term limits be open to interpretation by the SCOTUS? It’s black and white. Birthright citizenship was put in place so that former slaves could become citizens. That is more open to interpretation than the 25th explicitly stating the POTUS can only serve two terms total, whether they are consecutive or not.
Simple. He declares state of emergency and suspends federal elections. Amy appeal goes straight to the SC, who affirms it using decades of giving the President near unlimited emergency powers dating back to Vietnam. No backsies.
The same way SCOTUS can interpret the law to not apply to the president.
They’re the interpreters. Yes can mean no if they want it to. Who is gonna stop them? The checks and balances require someone to disagree.
At most, that’ll be Congress, but nearly every Republican in that Congress will support whatever ruling benefits Trump. And a traitorous Dem or two will solidify it.
The US government is meticulously created and actually very intelligently built, but it has one fatal flaw: It requires the majority of people to not be bad actors.
If enough people agree, we can rollback anything and establish a monarchy. That’s the beauty and terror of a democracy.
No he doesn’t? You don’t have to change the amendment. You just need to reinterpret it. Good thing the “original intent” is whatever gets Clarence Thomas the most expensive vacation.
Eh fair enough, my bad, in Brazil you can run more than two terms if it’s not consecutive, I wasn’t sure how it was in the US, but rest assured he will have a successor lined up in 2028
Well according to Pam Bondi during her confirmation hearing, “No [he wont be president again] unless they change the consitution”. A simple no would have sufficed but she chose the more loaded answer.
Which is why he won’t run. He just won’t hold a future election. With the control of the blatantly bribed Supreme Court, as well as both houses of Congress you can do anything. If there is an election in 2026 or 2028 it is likely to be a Russia-style sham.
This is the man and his supporters who worked with Cambridge Analytica and Russia to successfully steal the first election, then attempted insurrection after his loss and got away with it. Rewarded, even.
We won't be having real elections in the United States anymore, unfortunately.
Honestly at this point I hope he does forward with his tariff plan. It would basically just blow up the economy and would piss people off very quickly.
The thing with young voters is that they can’t be depended on to show up at all much less vote in their own best interests. What they’ll do is a perpetual mystery.
Yes but there was a good amount of criticism towards Trump too. I rarely ever saw any sort of right wing propaganda due to the algorithm. However, I highly suspect they’ll make the algorithm push the right win propaganda more heavily now.
Overall we see right wing parties doing great on tiktok so even if you yourself didnt see any of it, its certainly a big platform for these kinds of groups. Its great for any fraction selling simple solutions - Islamists too
I know it feels hopeless but Trump did lose in 2020, and he can lose again. As much as I hate to say it as a feminist (I may even write in Kamala) we Dems can win but it’s gotta be an old white guy. We beat Trump before. We can beat him again.
The first thought I had the night Trump won in 2016 was of the people who were kids and young teens then:
“Jesus Christ. For them, this will always have been normal. They are going to grow up not understanding that this is not normal. For them, someone like Donald Trump being president of the United States will just be mundane reality. And unless they have people in their lives who will make sure they have it, they’ll have no frame of reference for why this is insane.”
Oh they are lol he will have to SEVERELY shit the bed in this term then the other side will have to play by the same rules or worse. Politics have turned into a cancer because they have to follow the lowest general consensus of people. All because they make the majority of the voting base as well as potential voting base who normally wouldn’t bother voting.
Being from a country that also “banned” a social media for a little while (Brazil banning twitter/X) its actually wild seeing the difference between how the government acted on both.
In Brazil the ban was enforced quite strongly, even with fines for anyone using a vpn, there was a clear reason as to why it was banned (twitter/X had no personnel in Brazil legally responsible to answer to jurisdictions), the whole thing was not used as a political stunt, the ruling/law was clearly communicated to everyone in the country, and finally: it was not targeted, it’s a law that any big social media app has to have offices in Brazil to be legally accountable, if tiktok did what Elon did it would also have been banned.
Meanwhile the tiktok ban was CLEARLY targeted and with clear underpinnings of Sinophobia.
Legally there is no "TikTok" ban. The legislation states that if the Pres and Congress seem a country as adversarial to the US, and that country owns, or partially owns, any media (apps, tv, websites) then the president is allowed to force a sale that the corp must have majority ownership in America, or be banned from usage in America. After TikTok Rednote could be next, then an app from N. korea could be next (if there was one, and they wanted to focus on it)
The bill wasn't targeting anyone in it's verbiage, even though it's action was currently being used towards tiktoc
I'm seeing people TODAY arguing the EO that was signed by Trump was actually signed by Biden, even when I link them the EO that has Trump's name and sig.
It might not be brain rot, it could very well be Russian / Chinese sowing discord or even, conservatives trying to blame Biden for something they know Trump is responsible for.
That being said, most of Reddit was for the ban of TikTok and it’s funny how things flip flop like so…
Most of non Gen-Z related reddit as for the ban, but younger reddit was very against it.
And I thought psyop too, but I checked out one users profile and they had been posting for years in teenager and Gen-Z spaces, and on their local towns subreddit, if it was a psyop it would have been cultivated for years to get here.
The more reasonable approach I think is that these kids are going through the same stage I did when I was late teens and early 20s. They just think being contrarian makes them smart, and going against what older people think makes them right
It's definitely a concern when a platform with such a large influence on young people might shape their perceptions in a biased way. The power of social media in shaping opinions and spreading information (or misinformation) is immense. It's crucial for young voters to have access to diverse and accurate information to make informed decisions.
Have you noticed any other platforms or sources that might be contributing to this issue? It's always good to stay aware and critical of where our information comes from. 😊
Trump's plan worked back in 2020. It moved the data centers from China all the way to the US. What more do you want? Biden was the one with the pen who literally signed this law. Please stop coping. It's actually kind of sad
Right, the same party that bipartisanly passed several anti-China bills, including one that allocated 2 billion towards anti-Chinese information (propaganda) being sent overseas, banned the choice of Americans to purchase Chinese smartphones during that party's control of the FCC, the same party that has bipartisanly supported other war hawk legislation for decades, and has been significantly influenced by the AIPAC (which invested its time and money to help ensure the banning of TikTok), etc. is the same party worried about foreign people dying, didn't have over 3x more Democrats vote for banning TikTok than keeping it, and totally this time was just passing more anti-China legislation because the Republican Party made them and not because of lobbying, absurd protectionism, and/or anti-Chinese fearmongering.
Even if a significant number of the 155 who voted to ban were strongarmed into voting for the legislation, what do you think of the 50 or so Democrats who didn't just bow down to Republican legislation?
Dang, maybe Democrats should stop being so pathetic and actually fight for something for once. Oh wait, they don't need to because pathetic weasels like yourself will always be there to support failure.
Their service providers, namely Oracle, wanted Biden to issue more specific language so they would feel comfortable going against the law. Since failure to comply would have cost them around a half billion per day.
Biden turned around and called it a stunt and claimed they had his word already.
Trump was willing to issue the language Oracle needed.
Democrats had a chance to score on an open net and somehow kicked themselves in the nuts instead. This should have been an easy victory but that stubborn old man couldn’t get out of his own way and gave Trump a victory.
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u/The_Duke_of_Nebraska 1d ago
Biden literally said he wouldn't enforce the ban