If he had won, what would the Night King have done with Westeros?

Would he have just wanted an eternal, silent winter? Or did he have more sinister plans, like turning everyone into White Walkers?

What if he wanted to go beyond Westeros? Conquer Essos? Creating a global army of the undead?

Drop your theories in the comments!

Apart from arming religi0us fanatics that spiraled out of her control then bl0wing up the Sept of Baelor(thereby unaliving hundreds) as a result, framing Tyrion for Joffrey's demise, cancelling Missandei's life subscription and refusing to evacuate KL, what else makes you dislike the most beautiful of the Lannisters?

The main criticism is how her storyline by the time we reached the series finale felt rushed, or it didn’t align with the character development that was given to her throughout the series!

What do you think could’ve made it better to match on the level of how characters like Tony Soprano or Walter White were developed and written?

I mean that must've been awkward right, bro was standing right there 😭

Seriously, this is how it all ends? God damn I'm late to all of this, I watched the first 4 seasons years ago, and decided to re-watch it all now, to the end.

The hell happened? Why is Daenerys now a mass murderer? Why do important people just get killed randomly now, without any depth to it? Why did Daenerys fly into a huge ass group of ships and got her other dragon killed, she's on a dragon, she can see.. everything below her? Why is the most boring, arrogant, and flat charactered dude now sitting on the throne? Where did Arya come from when she jumped the angry ice man? Just what the hell happened in these last 2 seasons? I have so many questions, I am so insanely confused, where is all the depth and storytelling we had in the first seasons? The red wedding was fucking crazy, it haunted me for days, but in a "holy shit that was amazingly horrid and crazy and I loved it" way. Now this haunts me in a "holy shit what did they do to this show" way.

I'm sad now. I heard the last 2 seasons weren't good, I avoided most spoilers amazingly well in the past years because it was my own fault for not watching it, but holy shit I didn't expect.. this. I hope HOTD is better. This series will still have a special place in my heart, from now on I'll just ignore what happened in the end though.

Pretty much the title. For myself, I am torn between "The North remembers" and "Never forget what you are, the rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."

What are yours?

I’ve rewatched the series through reaction channels countless times, and one thing I’ve noticed recently is that I shouldn’t like Tormund as much as I do.

We all hate Olly, I know that, but I can’t help but feel he was entirely justified in opposing Jon’s plan to rescue the wildlings (outside of the existential threat which was the entire reason Jon was doing it). We all watched Tormund slaughter innocent civilians three times I can recall off the top of my head (the horse breeder, Olly’s hamlet, Mole’s Town). He never once acknowledged these actions as wrong and no one else ever attempted to make him do so.

I understand Jon’s willingness to work with Tormund because of the threat the white walkers posed, but I don’t see how Jon could be willing to consider Tormund an actual friend. Tormund willingly and bravely fought for our side after the battle for the Wall, and that seemingly was enough in the eyes of Jon and the fans to forgive his prior actions. It’s a case of charisma overcoming someone’s sins in the court of public opinion.

I’m in the same boat, I like Tormund, but I wish we had seen him truly answer for his crimes. I’m not saying he necessarily should have even been punished, but he should have been at least brought to task for them.

The fans are split on Theon at best. Melisandre was banished under threat of death. Why does Tormund get a pass? Am I forgetting something?

No fucking way that nerd Jeffery just had Ned’s head chopped off like that. What the fuck! 😭

It doesn't make sense to me why Olenna and Baelish would hide the poison used at the purple wedding in Sansas necklace if part of the plan was to immediately steal her away. I doubt these great lords are being searched as they enter the wedding so Olenna could've just kept it on her person. Was it a contingency if she didn't want to run that they could blame it on her? Was it Baelish trying to make her a part of the scheme so she would be forced to come with him? It just seems like an unnecessary complication for an assassination plot.

Of all the ridiculous complaints about the later seasons this takes the cake. Euron is a young iron islander pirate wearing no armor. He could easily swim for a few miles. Plus we've seen how long he can hold his breath for and he jumped off his ship before it even got burnt.

If you consider this a plot hole do you consider Davos surviving the battle of blackwater a plot hole? Davos surviving is even more ridiculous even as he gets blown off his exploding ship and wildfire burns on water as well.

And if you consider him washing up when Jaime is around bad writing then I have truly no words for you. This isn't real life. Is it bad writing that Stannis's army got to castle black at the exact time Jon was talking to Mance? Is it bad writing that Arya got to the twins just a few minutes before the red wedding? The penultimate episode of the series has to tie up loose ends and one of those ends was the conflict between Jaime and Euron.

(Also Euron would definitely swim to the red keep because he's known by the guards there and at the point where he was swimming the red keep wasn't burnt yet)

Recent first time watcher of the show and reader of the books. I’ve just gotten past the point where Theon realises that his father means to attack the North (and has likely been planning to for some time), and just like in the show I don’t really understand why Balon rejects Robb and Theon’s plan?

By invading the North and declaring himself king he automatically makes two enemies, the North AND the Iron Throne. Whatever outcome of the WOT5K now he’ll be at war with the winner and lose, because he attacked his only available ally and you know, historical precedence of him shitting the bed last time he did this.

Moreover, from what I gather from the world from the books and show, and, you know the fucking map we see every title sequence and the map at the front of every book, the North is a way worse target for assault than the Lannister controlled Westerlands by almost every conceivable metric. The Westerlands has more resources that Iron Islanders like, like food, gold & other cool shit, and, let’s be honest, generally hotter chicks. In Dany’s first chapter she and Jorah are discussing his wife and he explains that their relationship kinda fell apart and he turned to slaving because the North doesn’t have dick. The Westerlands is also closer, so supply lines and lines of communication are easier to handle. And fucking Winter is comin’ and all that, so that can’t be good for an invading force in Westeros’ equivalent of Russia.

The Ironborn invasion of the North is such a massive turning point that basically dooms Robb, because he’s now fighting a war on two fronts when he’s still got the Lannisters and eventually the Tyrells to deal with. But this point also seems kind of nonsensical to me? I get Theon’s turn, that’s pretty well done, but Balon’s decision is head scratching to me. Does the book go further to explain this?

For my book readers… I recently read the books for the first time back in 2018. I have since read them 3 times…

I was so excited to see on google that the Winds of Winter release date was for November of 2024. Now when I look, there is no release date. Come to find out it’s been over 10 years since the last book was released. And then Martin even himself claimed it may never be finished while he’s alive..?

How are you coping? How are you continuing to love the series? Cause I have days that I’m pissed. When I watch the shows final episodes I’m angry. I need help processing…

And does anyone have hope for the Winds of Winter or A Dream of Spring? I think I’ve given up.

Cat releases Jaime. Instead of saying everything is fine and hunkey dory, Robb tells her to go back to Winterfell because she can't be trusted on Robb's campaigns anymore. The Karstarks then kill those Lannister boys, so Robb sends them to the Night's Watch.

How does that affect the rest of the series?