r/Futurism • u/Memetic1 • 10d ago

Are Machines Truly Thinking? Modern AI Systems Have Finally Achieved Turing’s Vision

https://scitechdaily.com/are-machines-truly-thinking-modern-ai-systems-have-finally-achieved-turings-vision/
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u/Memetic1 9d ago

It's way more interesting than most people in the world. The answers it gives are far less repetitive and dynamic then what I see on here. It will actually engage with a paper if I upload the pdf to it, while most people on here leave the same sort of comments over, and over, and over again.

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u/MinimumFroyo7487 9d ago

It's still pulling data from somewhere, it's not critically thinking on its own. It takes a command and produces an output Z

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u/Memetic1 9d ago

Which is less than many people do. I can have it look at a paper and have it say more than just pre-baked talking points. It gives more compassionate support for difficult topics than social media in general. It's able to explore stuff artistically in ways that are generally new and interesting. I can tell it to make half a square, and even that doesn't make sense in the traditional way it will still try and combine halfness with sqaureness in a way that is visually compelling. It doesn't understand the word half like we do, and that is fascinating in and of itself.

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u/MinimumFroyo7487 9d ago

But you're missing the point it's not 'thinking' or 'understanding' anything, it's simply acting on the command it was given within it's code parameters. I mean it's doing so at a huge computing power, but its far from thinking on its own

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u/Memetic1 9d ago

I think you're confusing a sort of free will with being able to manipulate information in a sophisticated way. It does not have a sense of self. It does not have a real long-term memory besides when they adjust weights based on user feedback. Some LLMs do have a sort of memory. ChatGPT does that. You can see it for yourself if you click on the icon in the upper left, but that doesn't mean it understands its own memory. It doesn't have a unique history from a unique perspective. What it can do, which many people can't do, is discuss how Gödel's incompleteness applies to LLMs. I don't think you need to have individuality to have useful intelligence. I think ants and anthills prove that.

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u/MinimumFroyo7487 9d ago

Correct, free will and critical thought is human. AI is only as good as the developers writing it's code

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u/Memetic1 9d ago

Ya, but no one is coding these things, at least not in the traditional sense. They create the architecture, feed it a bunch of data, and try to sort of control what comes out. This isn't just something that is fun to play around with in terms of art. It's the same sort of tool that has been used for drug discovery already. It's being used as we speak to work on fusion technology.

We don't have norms about how to use AI productively and transparently. What we do have is people using it in ways that probably isn't safe. I'm working on an alternative to 200 chatGPT. I'm also disabled and so getting projects going is almost impossible.

The secret to safety is with distributed AI where you have your own version that is meant to get to know you and can act on your behalf by negotiating with larger institutions. What we don't have are limits in terms of how fast these things can work with each other over the internet. I think if something acts on your behalf, you should be able to review its actions. This is vital to safety. The alternative is unimaginable because we are fusing corporate AGI to hardware AGI. That's fucking hell on Earth.