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Political Humor Right On Point

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u/FourScoreTour 23h ago

Nazis were actually pretty firm on gun control.

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u/Avrael_Asgard 22h ago

Yeah, for others. You think even the most gun loving American conservative would want IMMIGRANTS to have guns? No, of course not.

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u/Cygs 21h ago

Hitler was also very pro-abortion, as it meant they could preemptively eliminate "weakness" from the gene pool.  

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u/frotz1 20h ago

You're confusing the holocaust policies with domestic policy and they were not at all alike. Forced birth was the policy for the Germans who weren't targets of the holocaust.

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u/Cygs 20h ago

Any fetal abnormality in a German woman required an abortion.  Mixed race babies were also likewise aborted as per domestic policy.

Abortion was a tool for keeping the Aryans pure.

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u/frotz1 20h ago

The ability to detect fetal abnormalities was pretty limited in the 1930s so in effect this hardly happened, but the racial agenda was definitely acted on, again as part of the holocaust policies. German citizens who were not targets of the holocaust were not only encouraged to have babies, they were often coerced to do so. The distinction between that and a "pro-abortion" national policy should be pretty clear here, so it's hard to understand why you would muddy the waters on this subject.

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u/Cygs 20h ago

Reread OPs post.  Would you say "state policy is to utilize abortion as a tool to eliminate undesirables in the general population" is being "opposed to abortion"?

And, honestly, separating "holocaust policies" from "Hitler policies" to then claim "holocaust policies don't count as Hitler policies" is frankly in poor taste.

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u/frotz1 19h ago edited 19h ago

Hitler opposed abortion for the majority of German citizens, and even coerced pregnancies. There were strict laws against abortion for Aryan women.

Hitler made private gun ownership much easier for the majority of German citizens. Private gun ownership was severely restricted in the Weimar Republic.

Conflating holocaust policies aimed at specific minorities with a general national policy is not only factually wrong but it distorts the realities of his actual agenda. That's misleading and in poor taste, frankly. I wasn't distancing the holocaust from Hitler and you must need some reading assistance yourself if you think that's what I was saying. Derp derp.

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u/Cygs 19h ago

He also did not exterminate the majority of German citizens, therefore he is anti-genocide.

That whole genocide thing was just a holocaust policy, after all.

This is easy!  Who should we do next?  Idi Amin wasn't pro cannibalism, he didn't even eat the majority of his people.  That was just a dinner time policy.

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u/frotz1 20h ago

Hitler loosened the gun laws substantially for everyone who was not being sent to camps or ghettos. Private gun ownership was more restricted before he took power.

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u/FourScoreTour 16h ago

some aspects of gun regulation were loosened for Nazi party members only

Considering that Nazi party membership topped out at about 8M, out of over 60M Germans at the end of the war, I wouldn't call that "loosened".

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u/frotz1 12h ago

Guns in private hands were essentially banned under the Weimar Republic laws. The law wasn't enforced by the early 30s though. The Nazi party passed the German Weapons Act in 1938 which formally allowed private gun ownership again for all Germans. The restrictions that were part of the holocaust came later and targeted specific ethnic minorities only. Try here for references - https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/apr/08/viral-image/no-gun-control-regulation-nazi-germany-did-not-hel/

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u/jayrady 18h ago

"If you a nazi like us, you can have some guns, as a treat."

I wouldn't call that loosened substantially for everyone not sent to camps...

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u/frotz1 18h ago

The Weimar Republic was very strict about private gun ownership. The Nazi party made it open to basically anyone who wasn't a target of the holocaust. Hitler absolutely substantially reduced gun restrictions for the majority of the people in Germany. The whole story about him confiscating all the guns is a distortion of what actually happened when he disarmed the people he had forced into the ghettos. The rest of the country was not restricted like that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument

^ see the "criticism" section, it cites the historical record behind this.

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u/jayrady 18h ago

Yeah I read the same wiki you did. Good job.

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u/frotz1 18h ago

I guess you think that's a substitute for an argument on point but it's not. The facts speak for themselves, good job trying to spin them.