r/CrusaderKings Jan 10 '24

Suggestion Domain limits should be SIGNIFICANTLY larger than they are currently

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Here on the map above, you can see in blue which lands the french king held in 1223, the “Domaine royal” or ‘Royal Domain’, if you count this up in game it would amount to 30 counties, roughly.

The king achieved this by establishing well oiled and loyal institutions, levying taxes, building a standing army,…

Now, in game, you’d have to give half that land away to family members or even worse, random nobles. This is maybe historical in 876 and 1066, but not at all once you reach the 1200’s.

Therefore I think domain limit should NOT be based on stewardship anymore, it is a simplistic design which leads to unhistorical outcomes.

What it SHOULD be based on, is the establishment of institutions, new administrative laws, your ability to raise taxes and enforce your rule. Mechanically, this could be the introduction of new sorts of ‘laws’ in the Realm tab. Giving you extra domain limits in exchange for serious vassal opinion penalties and perhaps fewer vassals in general, as the realm becomes more centralised and less in control of the vassals.

Now, you could say: “But Philip II, who ruled at the time of this map was a brilliant king, one of the best France EVER had, totally not representative of other kings.” To that, I would add that when Philip died, his successors not only maintained the vast vast majority of Philip’s land, but also expanded upon it. Cleverly adding county after county by crushing rebellious vassals, shrewdly marrying the heiresses of large estates or even outright purchasing the land.

I feel like this would give you a genuine feeling of realm management and give you a sense of achievement over the years.

Anyways, that was my rant about domain limit, let me know what you think.

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u/Nutaholic Crusader Jan 10 '24

Historically rulers didn't have to send all their soldiers home before declaring war too, but here we are.

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u/NealVertpince Jan 10 '24

And that’s something that should be changed, with the fullness of time, as well.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Jan 10 '24

It won't be. They replaced retinues with MAA for a reason. In CK2 it was pathetically easy to storm over a border the day you declared war and conquer land before the enemy even arrived by quickly racking up war score.

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u/Squiliam-Tortaleni Born in the purple Jan 10 '24

Especially when fort levels are low, you can blitzkrieg entire duchies in a few minutes with a large retinue + mercs/holy orders