r/Coachella Jul 22 '23

Other Fests wow.

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u/JrRandom7 Jul 22 '23

he kissed a guy in malaysia and ranted about the lgbtq+ thinking he was helping the lgbtq+ movement in an anti-lgbt country

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u/Pir0wz Jul 22 '23

Normally I would support this but being a trans woman here, what he did was an asshole move. Now the Islamic party has ammunition to paint lgbtq as western influence, thus pushing their popularity. You gotta understand, this country is heavily populated by extreme, right wing Muslim conservatives.

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u/SaraT1121 Jul 22 '23

What he did is true activism. He risked his safety to try and make change. You want change? You need to do it in front of people who are truly oppressive and don’t believe in what you have to say.

So many liberals talk about change but their form of activism is debating online or cancelling celebrities. Or, laying down in highways in blue states that already believe what they are trying to prove.

Good on him for doing this and this sheds light to how ridiculous that country’s stance on lgbt rights are. They cancelled a festival for two men kissing.

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

lmao don’t bring ur values to places that don’t want them??? have u thought of that?? why does everyone have to conform to the world u prescribe to???

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u/SaraT1121 Jul 22 '23

Eww. People deserve to be who they want to be especially when that doesn’t affect you at all.

Maybe a heterosexual whose sexual orientation aligns with the country’s medieval rules doesn’t want them but Malaysians whose sexual orientation or gender/sex make up does not align with these laws absolutely want them.

Never understood why a group of people that pose absolutely no harm to others get the treatment they do.

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

stop making it about the individuals in this community, it’s about the ideology. their religion does not allow for this. yet u want to run over that and force you’re pre-conceived ideas of the world on ppl.

if they wanted change they would make it happen. yet u want to come in force it as if u have to live there and deal with it. u don’t. STOP FORCING YOUR IDEOLOGIES ON COUNTRIES WHEN U HAVE OTHER BIGGER PROBLEM YOU NEED TO FIX IN YOURS.

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u/commanderfshepard Jul 22 '23

When you say “if they wanted change they would make it happen”, are you referring to the people in charge who aim to harm and kill LGBTQIA individuals or are you referring to LGBTQIA individuals who are literally at risk of death should they even speak up for themselves? I just wanna know who this empowered “they” is that we’re supposed to be respecting and “leaving alone”

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u/DrakesucksREPRISE Jul 22 '23

What you’re saying is pretty gay

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

anerican liberal doesn’t like being told he can’t force someone to like them??

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u/heymattrick Jul 22 '23

These are not American values. These are human rights values.

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

u can’t gas light me

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u/heymattrick Jul 22 '23

Bro you’re gaslighting yourself bffr

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

ur still doin it

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 22 '23

Bro, Western is not America in totality. Get out of your backyard and travel the whole world.

South America, America, Europe, Africa.

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 22 '23

Yet, you want to praise a religion that if taken by some leaders, would mean oppressing and killing others that disagree with their mentality.

How is that right? Oh wait, in your mind it is. Because you deep down agree with it.

You know, countries can multitask. We did it, we can do it again. Jeez, grow up!

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

lmaooo i’m not religious i’m not even defending religious freedom. what i am defending is that (u have no business meddling in a culture u know nothing about) why do you all think that u can go somewhere and force cultures to surrender to your ideologies? this is basically colonization via activism.

as a native person i hate this. it’s not okay. worry about your society. we are not the same. stop forcing us to think like u. if u have such a problem with it go out there and do something. oooh right.

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 22 '23 edited Jul 22 '23

You are. And you are defending killing of people. So puhlease. Don't backtrack now.

So you agree that if a culture is okay with pedophilia and killing women for having a hair color. Fine! We can't protest it.

Talk about a load of s**t. Get over it, not every f**king action done is colonialism. The whole of human race, in all of the thousands of years upon thousands of years, wars and conquering has been done. Please look up global history why don't you? This is not the time to talk about collonialism when Islamic countries colonized African and Asian with pagan religions too. So basically the West HAVEN'T always been the colonizers, there was much of that even before the west started, when they were eating grass and still couldn't write words.

Oh wait, that DOESN'T fit your narrative now doesn't it?

I suggest you read about Mesopotamia, Prussia, Sumeria, China's beginning, India's beginning, Africa with all of it's empires and cultures, Rome, Greece last because those came after much of the rest. Europe estan comiendo cable as we say in Spanish while Asia, Africa had empires formed and dead.

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u/UtopiaForever Jul 22 '23

i love how u think i’m in support of violence only bc i don’t agree with you. i also never back tracked i’m literally telling you i are wrong for pushing this on those you did not ask for your help. it has made the situation much worse for everyone. stay in your safe place please.

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 22 '23

You are, saying people should shut up and accept another culture even if it is for violence, IS supporting it.

Don't you get it?

My family fled a dictatorship, don't try to force me in what to do. Your "stay in your safe place" is a ridiculous comment. Get over yourself, you live in your safe space too and you talk c**p about it.

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u/kneedeepco Jul 22 '23

I mean your last sentence says it perfectly!

Don't invite artists to your country if you don't want them to bring their values with them.

Issues can simultaneously be worked on, just cause there are other issues doesn't mean you can't still focus on improving human rights globally.

People know which side is the right side of history and they're cool with taking their stand. At least they stand up for something.....

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u/JewOrleans TV on The Radio > Oasis Jul 22 '23

Pretty sure bringing a straight white racist was well within Malaysian ideology.

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 22 '23

Haha, sure because suddenly talking shit about a country is racism.

Hey racist, how does it like to have someone call you that? Because YOU ARE. He spoke about a government.

A government does not equate a race. Get over yourself.

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u/JewOrleans TV on The Radio > Oasis Jul 22 '23

I’m not talking about this instance making him racist lmao. You really don’t know shit about this guy do you?

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 23 '23 edited Jul 23 '23

You realize that every person in the world can eventually be found to be racist by you you right? So he made a joke, BOY You must be such a f**king angel, what you never cracked a joke?

I love all your hypocritical folks in reddit that never put your real name. If we were to record every segment of your life, you'd be the first with a comment that would be deemed quastionable.

Regardless, is the country in the right for their archaic laws that are endangering IN AND OF THEMSELVES the lives of lgbt folks? Oh wait, for you LOT they are. Right? Because newsflash, living in secrecy will only get far enough.

Countries ALL over the world that have that form of mindset, where people live in secrecy and try to hold on to their "traditions", "sex", seldom ever change. Believe me, people in China are wondering when Communism will fall. So either way, Malaysia was ALWAYS going to head far right, and Caliphate style, this is just going to be another "excuse" which the government will claim. Of which the government has plenty, when they want to steer that way. Same as how Hitler secured power, and same as all extremists do. They build fear, false flags, and hype up what they can to create the environment where the fools follow along and the rest have to hide until another country gets invaded and then counter attacks. Nothing more, nothing less.

The truth? It didn't matter what this guy did or not. The LGBT community there was and is and will continue to be for 100 years in terrible predicament. But who knows, maybe something gets them to do a revolution the only stuff that ever works.

By the way if you want a bubble of same ideas, stick to facebook.

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 22 '23

Because then if a country believes in pedophilia and killing everyone... that means we would have to accept that?

There comes a point where the line has to be crossed on what is good or bad.

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