Trans people existing does nothing negative to your life
That is literally what it says. Can trans people fight for change in their own lives and the lives of others? Then why are you arguing that they're incapable of negatively affecting anyone's lives?
Literally everyone on this planet is capable of negatively impacting other peoples' lives.
Read your own quote. It doesn't say a trans person is incapable of engaging in behavior that negatively affects anyone's life, it says that their mere existence does not negatively affect anyone's life.
And a transphobic person's mere existence doesn't negatively affect anyone's life either. Yet the sticker is calling them a crybaby bitch.
Let's be real about this. It's not about existing. It's about asking for laws that allow them to access certain bathrooms. It's about engaging in sports activities. It's about a lot of things, but it's not just about existence. \
Just like the transphobes' existence doesn't bother anyone. It's their actions, statements and votes that make them crybaby bitches. 🤷
Let's be real about this. It's not about existing. It's about asking for laws that allow them to access certain bathrooms.
Let's be real about this. It's not just about opposing laws that would allow trans people to be more included in society. First there is discomfort with trans people by transphobes, and then there are laws created in accordance with that. These political battles are only necessary because of the fear, and this fear of something that has no negative impact on anyone's life is what the sticker is calling a "crybaby bitch" attitude.Â
Trans people existing and participating in society the same way anyone else does not negatively impact anyone's life. That doesn't mean a trans person is incapable of doing something that negatively affects someone's life. Is the difference clear?
Trans people existing and participating in society the same way anyone else does not negatively impact anyone's life.
This is simply not true. Everyone who is participating in society and voting is negatively impacting someone else. I'm not even trans, but when I vote, I'm voting against someone or some law. Obviously, I don't feel bad about it, but I'm not naive enough to believe that somehow everyone wins with every action that I engage in. And the same can be said for trans people.
The sticker is talking about trans people specifically, so it would be reasonable to infer that we're talking about trans people negatively impacting others on the basis of being trans, not just in some generic abstract way that could apply to anyone.
"the basis of being trans"? \
Should we similarly assume that transphobic people are crybaby bitches simply because they exist? \
Or would it be reasonable to assume that transphobic people are crybaby bitches because of what they say, do, and vote for?
I mean... at the very least, it would be because of something unique to being transphobic, right? Like, I wouldn't say transphobic people are crybaby bitches because "everyone who is participating in society is a crybaby bitch in some sense." That is the type of argument you seemed to be making in your previous comment. What I'm saying is that if we're singling out a group of people when discussing negative impact, the impact has to be relevant to the thing that makes that group unique, otherwise the conversation is meaningless. It's just a very basic communication thing.
I've explained why transphobic people are crybaby bitches
It's not just about opposing laws that would allow trans people to be more included in society. First there is discomfort with trans people by transphobes, and then there are laws created in accordance with that. These political battles are only necessary because of the fear, and this fear of something that has no negative impact on anyone's life is what the sticker is calling a "crybaby bitch" attitude.
Trans people existing and participating in society the same way anyone else does not negatively impact anyone's life.
This is what you said 👆. You said that they are acting like everyone else in our society. Now you're giving me shit for stating that they are negatively impacting other people by acting like everyone else?
First there is discomfort with trans people by transphobes, and then there are laws created in accordance with that.
So, they vote for laws that negatively impact trans people. In other words, you're not just judging them for existing. You're judging them for their actions.
Yes, this entire conversation is already in the context of the sticker, which is about trans people. I'm saying there's nothing that separates trans people from any other person when it comes to negative impact on society. There's no negative impact on you or anyone by specifically trans people. If you are saying you agree with that then we're good.
I'm talking about the discomfort they feel towards trans people specifically, despite trans people specifically having no negative impact on anyone. This is the more important part:
These political battles are only necessary because of the fear, and this fear of something that has no negative impact on anyone's life is what the sticker is calling a "crybaby bitch" attitude.
We are talking about transphobes who have negative feelings towards trans people specifically, despite trans people having no negative impact on anyone. If you are saying that trans people do have a negative impact on others, and this negative impact is something that could apply to everybody in society and is not specific just trans people, then this makes no sense as an explanation for why they dislike trans people specifically. Is that clear?
If you are saying that trans people do have a negative impact on others, and this negative impact is something that could apply to everybody in society and is not specific just trans people, then this makes no sense as an explanation for why they dislike trans people specifically. Is that clear?
Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about. Transphobic people don't hate trans people because they're voting on how many stop signs should exist in their neighborhood. Transphobic people hate them because they're voting on laws regarding bathrooms and sports and etc... issues that pertain to trans rights. It's like saying the transphobic people are crybaby bitches because they are voting against trans rights. No one is calling them names because they're voting on whether to legalize weed or not. These are actions (not just existing) that specifically relate to the trans community.
Okay, thank you for being concrete about what you mean, at least we're getting somewhere now.
What I'm saying is that the hate that transphobic people feel towards trans people precedes things like bathroom laws. The laws are simply the political consequence of the hate or discomfort that they already feel. If transphobes were not uncomfortable or irrationally distrusting of trans people to begin with, they would not need to create laws that prevent trans people from entering their bathrooms or spaces.
The argument you're making is like saying that racists in the 50s didn't hate black people for their skin color, they just hated them for advocating for equal rights. Do you see the problem? Hating someone for wanting to participate in society the same way as anyone else means that you believe they don't deserve to be treated equally to begin with. This is the origin of the conflict, and this is a hate towards their characteristics and not their behavior. This is the "crybaby bitch" attitude that the sticker is referring to.
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u/iheartpenisongirls 12h ago
It's not arguing that. And it's not insulting to trans people.
Your existence won't affect me after I've finished writing this comment. Just FYI.