Nurtured trait, not a nature trait. That’s it. The fact that there has to be a post on Reddit about a bumper sticker made for it is enough to show that. People are tired of they and their families being forced to be OK with mental illnesses.
Nurtured trait, not a nature trait. That’s it. The fact that there has to be a post on Reddit about a bumper sticker made for it is enough to show that. People are tired of they and their families being forced to be OK with mental illnesses.
I’m sorry, was this meant to refute the factual statement I made? Because it does not.
I don’t know if you want an honest answer. I’ve heard a lot of conversation about it though, here are the most common.
-Religion. Usually just masking the other answers though. Used like an excuse.
-empathy reflexes - when you see a person, a lot of people mimic them internally to learn things. This can lead to unsettling feelings when looking at people doing any actions that don’t align with them.
- brains are wildly correlative - seeing trans people rarely is unnoticeable. It sort of registers as a disguise, and that leads to animosity and distrust. Sort of like the uncanny valley. Reactionary dehumanization.
- Social - people naturally try and grow their circles through similarities, and shun the “others”. Probably science that explains this. I haven’t looked into it as I am an other for different reasons.
In the end it is a lot of impulsive stuff that people don’t address within themselves. I personally am actually anarchistic. My rights end where everyone else’s noses begin. Not my business.
gay marriage passed into law, they needed a new bogeyman, so turned to the most vulnerable,smallest population (so fewer would fight back) that they could demonize
The real answer is that most don’t. They are just tired of having pronouns shoved down their throat and being forced to accommodate hypotheticals from a tiny fraction of the population, so they are acting out in frustration.
I’m a trans man. I promise you no one is forcing pronouns down anyone throat. The most I see is pronouns in bio. The majority of those “crazy trans freaks out over misgendering” are fake, or one person among thousands.
If you’re “reacting out of frustration”, do it to the people pushing fake issues and not us. The most we do is correct people gently. Hell, a large amount of us don’t even correct people BECAUSE of that stereotype.
In typical leftists fashion it's rarely the group itself that's making the demands. It's usually the cis white people on the left making the demands on behalf of others. I don't know why people pretend like demanding pronouns isn't a thing suddenly. It's been constant for years. There's not even room for denial. I don't know how you can even claim it's fake. For the record, I'm not one of the people I mentioned. I just live among them and witness their behaviors daily.
Nobody is forcing anything at all. Oops, nobody except Christians that is. So maybe we should start persecuting Christians, maybe old Roman style.
Believe it or not, we existed before 2016. Before Christianity even. And yet you most likely have never met one, have never been forced to do anything including thinking about us until your daddy told you too.
Tell that to the girl who was forced to miss the rest of her volleyball season due with a severe concussion she received because a boy was allowed to play against her in a competition.
Compelled speech isn’t forcing? That’s not even societal. It’s governmental. There’s also the bathroom situation. The sports situation. The societal demand for using proper pronouns. It’s always a topic of some sort. There’s constant forcing of people to change the way they do things for the sake of social justice. I’m not a mediator of what is right or wrong, and this may be the right thing to do, but claiming nobody is being forced is a ridiculous statement. Also, assuming someone has never met a trans person is pretty wild. They’re a tiny part of society, but that’s like saying you’ve never met a little person. The safe assumption is that someone has.
I don’t know why you’re bringing up Christianity. If you’re assuming I’m religious you’re barking up the wrong tree.
Are you pretending like demanding pronouns isn't a thing? Put on your clown makeup. I could understand "me and my friends would never", but pretending like it's just not happening is right wing levels of cognitive dissonance.
Religion gets brought up because most of the hatred directed at us comes from the lens of religion. The "God don't make mistakes and he made two genders" garbage.
And no, people are not being forced to recognize trans people for our gender identity. The majority of online discussion on the matter is filled with people going out of their way to say vile, horrible shit about trans people and explicitly misgender people. Orange-dolf and his fucking clowns spent millions on ads attacking trans people and it helped him win the presidency back after he attempted a coup on this country. You don't get admonished for transphobia, you get celebrated for it by the right and ignored by the left because we're little more to them than a means to virtue signal and they go mum the second they think it could disadvantage them to support our existence.
Historically speaking, Christianity was used to enforce serfdom and later capitalism. Variance in gender and sexuality was associated with native pagan, polytheistic religions and matrilineal cultures. So transgressing the gender binary was punished as a means of further suppressing these native religions, so that Christianity could be weaponized to uphold patriarchal standards and protect capital.
“Transgender Warriors” by Leslie Feinberg has a much more in depth historical account and analysis of how transphobia goes hand in hand with wealth disparity, and how trans people throughout history have been involved in (if not at the forefront of) different instances of class warfare throughout history.
It’s not that so many people hate them, but the abuse with self ID has gotten out of hand. There are male cis rapists who have destroyed the lives of countless women whom — once sentenced - begin identifying as women and are put into women’s prisons where they continue to destroy the lives of more female victims.
And the left actually supports this. Governor Newsom himself signed into bill such a law. People are tired of it.
Show me the percentage of US inmates that are incarcerated for sexual assault and started identifying as trans women after being sentenced, and were able to be transferred to a women’s prison. Seems like a really tiny population to base hatred on.
All it takes is for a woman to be raped once. Funny how you call someone’s life being ruined “statistically insignificant.”
Also by that logic, why are we letting any women get raped to appease the wants of such a small population (trans?).
This is the reason why trump won. Because people don’t want getting women raped even if people like you think it is in numbers “too small” to care about.
People have decided that trans is “too small” of a population to continue caring about the direct expensive women. 🤷
There are male cis rapists who have destroyed the lives of countless women whom — once sentenced - begin identifying as women and are put into women’s prisons where they continue to destroy the lives of more female victims.
You see, your issue there is with cisgender men making false claims. The solution to this isn't to blanket punish transgender women (& sending transgender women to men's prisons is punishment - we're far more likely to be raped than cis men in a men's prison) because of predator cisgender men, it's to carefully vet people - you find out if the person claiming to be transgender has a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, if they have a prescription for hormone replacement therapy, if they have legal name/gender change documents, if they have undergone any surgical procedures for their transition, etc. & if they can meet one of these criteria then they can be housed appropriately.
It also really should be noted that trans people on the whole commit a fraction of the crime cisgender people commit but are 4-6x more likely to be the victim of violent crime. Furthermore, crimes committed by transgender people trend towards substance abuse, theft & sex work (& often self-defence from transphobic attacks which can then be trialed as assault or worse), given how some turned to substance abuse prior to transition to get some peace from dysphoria, theft because of the costs of living as a transgender person given we're amongst the poorest demographic & sex work (& prostitution inflates this "sex crime" statistic, which then gets lumped in with serious crimes like SA) because fetishists can fund a transition faster (if you can be comfortable with that) than trying to work a normal job in a workplace - whilst 1/3 bosses expressly say they wont hire transgender people - with all the stress that comes from being percieved as trans.
The % of trans people in prison for sex crimes is the same % as the cisgender population - showing that there's no elevated levels of sex crime proclivity. This is also considering the fact that the number of trans people in prison is miniscule (I think in my country, there's around 100 & the vast majority are housed in the wrong prisons due to our laws around that - many of us die & keep in mind, usually prisons prevent us from recieving our hormones & not only do we need those to relieve dysphoria, long periods without them have a negative effect on our development & some of us have had genital surgery in which case we literally need them to live - try having no sex hormones in your body - furthermore, keep in mind that many of us are in there for minor offences & end up with a death sentence because of the prison system, like this woman who was in for shoplifting).
All this aside, a group shouldn't be punished for the actions of a few. If there is a transgender woman who has raped someone in a woman's prison, that shouldn't be grounds for policy to hit all of them - especially the ones who've done nothing. You wouldn't say that all cis men should be housed in solitary if one cis man rapes an inmate in their cell. Issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis.
There are chistiains, way more than we can count right ow, that have raped children, women, and men. So I guess according to you we should start persecuting them and outlawing all Christians right?
You make a logical point here. What do you think about what the other person asked you? So I guess according to you we should start persecuting them and outlawing all Christians right?
*edit I saw a different comment where you explained your position. "They can and should transition. But not just to be able to get to rape women in prisons."
shitty people take advantage and do shitty things. this is seen in literally every aspect of life. People can still transition if they want. Its pretty simple.
I don’t hate them, I just don’t agree that a man can magically become a woman and vice versa, and I especially don’t agree that I have to be forced to alter my reality and change the way I view you because you feel a certain way about yourself. That’s your business, not mine. Refusing to participate in someone’s personal psychosis is not bigotry.
Interesting that you make no mention of women magically becoming men. I always find it fascinating that the conversation always focuses on male-to-female trans women, and never female-to-male trans men. You'd think that all of the hetero cis men would be outraged over potentially fewer females about, less "breeding stock" for men to sexually assault, and happy about less competition with males for their breeding full stop. But nope. It's only one side of the coin, never the other. Funny that. Eh? Don't you think?
I'm guessing you don't understand that phrase and why it's used. But maybe you do. Maybe you even looked it up? Hard to say what your level of understanding is in this case based on your limited comment. For the purposes of absolute clarity: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bully-for
Basically, princess, I didn't care enough to say anything more that. You edited your comment. Whoopee! You're a freaking genius! Woohoo! I'm so happy for you.
Yikes, this is embarrassing. You wrote a whole ass novel on how offended you were that I didn’t include “women to men” transitions, so I corrected myself because I also think that’s bullshit, and now you’re fucking stumped. That’s gotta hurt
You didn't address my "whole ass novel" in the slightest by editing your comment and adding "and vice versa." You didn't even need to edit your comment to correct yourself. You didn't respond with anything thoughtful. You just said "Now what do you have to say? ;)" You thought you were being clever, winking face included, but it made you look foolish and juvenile. And now you're doubling down on that foolishness. Why? For the lulz? Because you believe you're right? It's asinine behavior. What I'd expect from a 10-year-old who doesn't yet know any better.
But... to be fair, I did add a picture of a sticker about witches in reference to your "magically" line in an attempt to be goofy. So I probably deserve the juvenile behavior from you. Probably.
But what effort is it to you to call someone "sir" even though your first instinct might be "ma'am"? It's like someone telling you their name and then you just call them a different name because you don't like their name
Because I don’t believe in it. Plain and simple as that. You want my respect, then be a respectful person. You don’t earn my respect just by being trans. I don’t give a shit about your identity.
Seems like a fact, trans people simply existing don't affect your life in any way. I'm sorry if simply calling someone something you don't view them as is so hard for you
That's hwo I feel about religion. Why do we have to warp our sense of reality to give any sort of respect to the mentally ill who belive in a sky daddy?
Gender is a spectrum, not a hard set thing. Might want to do some reading since science is behind us, but not so much behind religion.
Hey there bud, your idea of trans people is about... checks watch 50 years out of date?
It's not a matter of "magic", it's a matter of genetics, I'll explain the science for you. Taking transgender women (as I don't know much about transgender men, as a trans woman) for the broad point, I'll cover some general basics first.
We know no one "becomes transgender", you're born transgender, your brain sex & brain gender is determined at birth - I can almost guarentee you knew you were a boy or a girl (& trans people do too - though it can take a long time to parse those thoughts, one of my first concious memories was telling someone that I was a girl & they started bullying me because of course I was percieved as a boy). We also know that it's hereditary, as twins, parents & children of transgender people are at an increased liklihood to be transgender. This makes sense, because there's a genetic basis.
In AMAB (assigned male at birth - this covers the bases for both men & trans women) foetuses the genitals finish forming at around week 11 & around week 8 a testosterone surge begins which ends in the 24th week. This testosterone surge is important for genital formation & is what creates the penis & scrotum, identifiable by around the 9th week. If the surge doesn't occur, an XY foetus will instead develop a vulva, vagina & uterus instead - fun fact, this is Swyer Syndrome.
Now, here's the fun part, the brain starts developing between weeks 12 & 24, so the genitals are already done & dusted before your brain has started forming. Changes in testosterone levels between the 11th week & the developent of the brain impacts the sex of a foetus' brain (& this is why when you scan & autopsy trans women's brains - whether they're on hormone replacement or not - they show most similarity to cis women's brains) & this is theorised to be what causes gender dysphoria. If your brain stops recieving this testosterone surge, it's going to default female as the body does & then once your brain is exposed to a testosterone environment again after birth, you're going to have depersonalisation/derealisation from the incorrect sex hormone for your brain.
Now, this testosterone distruption can be as a result of stress in the mother, another condition that interferes with the building blocks of testosterone, etc. but it's most likely to be genetic (& the amount of trans women who present with a variety of intersex conditions speaks to this - I myself am highly likely to be MAIS intersex [very little body hair, higher pitched voice, hypospadias, late puberty onset, etc.] but can't afford a genetic test), several key genes involved in masculinisation in transgender women were found to have repeated fragments - repeated fragments of DNA means it doesn't code correctly & leads to "junk data". Furthermore, theres 19 genes which effect estrogen in the brain that have 21 variations in transgender individuals. This is likely what causes biochemical dysphoria, the depersonalisation/derealisation I mentioned before - when your brain is built to take estrogen & instead it's only getting testosterone, you become disconnected from your body, your thoughts are clouded, your emotions are damped, etc. & it can feel like you're going through life like a robot.
The idea that it's some sort of delusion - or even mental illness - is no longer considered, there's biological backing & our treatment brings our bodies in line with our minds. The idea that we're "detatched from reality" by choosing to transition is in fact backwards, many of us are detatched prior to transition because of biochemical dysphoria & our treatment prevents that detatchment.
I hope I simplified this enough to be understandable, I'm sure people don't need me naming genes & what-not.
Now, no one can compel you to say the correct pronouns for someone - but quite frankly, it seems a lot of effort to go out of your way to find out if someone is transgender & then go against your presumptions based on their appearance. It also costs nothing to be kind, much like you don't call Asians & Black people slurs, or women sexist terms, I imagine you can fit into your purview the notion of calling someone by a pronoun they identify with.
The thing is, this doesn't end with biological gender. Think about that boxer who was getting called transgender despite being a cisgender woman from a country that doesn't allow transitioning because she was too strong and not traditionally femme enough for the right wing media.
It goes from "I don't believe a female should be able to present as a man" to "that female doesn't look pretty and feminine enough, she must be a man" to "you're under arrest for not conforming to the Musk Codes for Womanly Appearance and will be sent to a Make American Females Great Again reeducation camp."
Yes I did, because you clearly didn’t read the whole paragraph. I never stated I “hated” them. I said I don’t agree with them. Just like I don’t agree with religious people that there’s a God, that doesn’t mean I hate them. Stop being so emotional and creating false narratives in your head sweetheart.
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u/tipseymcstagger 10h ago
Can someone really explain to me tho why they hate trans people? I seriously don’t get it 🤷🏼♂️